Yeah but imagine if they had (somehow) made the improvements of oblivion whithout cutting anything that was in morrowind.

Lol

Oblivion is one of my favorite games of all time, so if it equals it I'll be thrilled. Considering the leveling system is being replaced (probably my least favorite aspect, especially the horrible attribute multipliers) I have high hopes.

Oblivion had few flaws for me too. It totally blew me away.



The Church of Morrowind is vocal. I love Morrowind but I don't understand it either. It's good but I like Oblivion so much better. They aren't going to please everyone. Heck even options to toggle stuff on and off is too much for some people because they don't like being tempted by streamlined features. Only mods can fix that.

It would take something on the level of the removal of spell creation to get me to join the "anti-mainstream" chorus.

I've yet to play Morrowind, I guess I will like it a lot hehe ;D

Rest easy friend. They'd have to be 'trying' if you catch my drift...



Finally somebody besides me says it.

I really, earnestly hope so. But I must admit, every day the release date approaches I become a little bit more fearful and apprehensive for the fate of Elder Scrolls...

It will probably beat Vanilla Oblivion...but I have 254 mods on Oblivion, and it might be hard to beat that...for a while.

I think the general thing is, that they need to divide fallout and tes more, right?

Skyrim will probably be great in it's own right.

Depends on the final product.

For me, so far it's been shifting back and forth between HELL YES and maybe not.

I'm sure we'll be seeing threads about how Oblivion is better Skyrim though upon its release. It's inevitable.

Skyrim seems to be a better game than Oblivion in all aspects that I can think of.

As for being a better game than Morrowind, well, we have to wait and see, but for now, I know that in all aspects that comes with a higher technology, it would be a better game, and for character leveling and combat, it seems to be better, but for item and monster level scaling, quests, guilds and the story and the like, we have to wait and see.

it will be a much better game the folks over at bethesda are going to improve the game.....i think it will be better than morrowind....

"Better" is a subjective term unless you define what your criteria for something being "better" are, and even then, the criteria themselves will be yours and may differ from mine or anyone else's, rendering it subjective anyway. What you're really asking is, "Do you think you'll personally like Skyrim better than previous TES games."

I don't know. I like every TES game I've ever played in different ways. (Started with Morrowind on Xbox, then moved to the PC version. Absolutely loved it. Then Oblivion came out which I played on PC. Finally I loved both so much that I managed to run Daggerfall after a lot of headaches and loved it to, albeit in very different ways. Never could get Arena to run well.)

I think the thing that happens is, a game comes out, and people love it, but have some major complaints. Those complaints are heard by the developer, so they try to address the complaints that a majority of customers had. That changes the subjective feel of the game though, which is something very ephemeral and hard to define. (It's also different from person to person.) So, they've addressed the complaints people had, and in theory, people should like the game better, right? It doesn't work that way though, because people loved the previous game, and miss that intangible "feel" that it had. That's what happened between Morrowind and Oblivion, and there are going to be - I can almost guarantee it - a lot of people who never played Morrowind but played Oblivion, and are going to feel that Skyrim doesn't have enough of the "feel" Oblivion had either. The number one complaint people had about Morrowind was that they couldn't find things. So they gave us quest markers. Another complaint was that it was too spread out with large areas empty of content. So they gave us more closely spaced locations and content. Etc. But a lot of Morrowind fans hated those changes, and said they were dumbing the game down and making it too crowded.

Essentially, Bethesda can't win, and they can't please everyone. The "feel" of the game is going to be qualitatively different than previous TES games, and will be dictated by the majority of customers' complaints, and the kinds of things Bethesda wants to try implementing in the game to satisfy their own ideas. That will be true of every TES game that follows in all likelihood, as well. There are some things they're doing with Skyrim that sound like I'll love them, and some things that sound like they're going to make me miss the old systems. But at the end of the day, I just want another TES game that's relatively expansive, has rich lore, lets me explore a world, lets me create a character that's my own, and tells some kind of a story (or many little stories, as the case probably is.) How they do that, and whether or not the "feel" is the same as previous games (with my favorite being Morrowind thus far) isn't really as important to me as those core factors.

personally,i like lower fantasy.it helps me roleplay,and really feel like iam in this dynamic fantasy world.morrawind

Same here.

I'm confident that it will be pretty up there - the city scope and random quests of Daggerfall, the Radiant AI and physics of Oblivion, and Morrowind's fantastical feel that integrates the lore into the world. I don't think it'll be the best game per se, as much of the recent developments may or may not work out so well and we're just reading hype. However, the only Elder Scrolls "game" I see surpassing it in the foreseeable future is DaggerXL.

I think Skyrim will be amazing.. The creativity level of it seems really appealing. I could knit pick about less skills but that does just mean less grind I suppose. New ways and combo type stuff to use magic sounds great to me. I tend to consider graphics kinda superficial but they do matter and it looks like a ton has gone into Skyrim. Really I can't wait to see those 2 moons rising and setting for the first time. I wanna search the map and see if I can find a gigantic mushroom growing somewhere, why a mushroom I don't know nostalgia.
I don't know if it'll be better than Oblivion, I've given some rough opinions of what I think about Oblivion but that was just more because I enjoyed some of the ideas Morrowind had better like architecture, houses made out of organic stuff like a giant shell or mushroom was mind blowing to me and exciting to explore.

I actually kind of feel bad for the game makers, having to actually make it and knowing just how awesome it is instead of being able to pick it up and mess around with it would fry my impulse control. It'd be like having a sweet roll sitting in front of you and your not suppose to eat it.

If only more people could think that way...

and to add to it, I don't know how many of you watched the Todd Howard interview, but there's one very important point he said in that interview:
They try to make DIFFERENT games each time. Oblivion wasn't Morrowind 2, it was Oblivion. That's why some love it and some hate it. The Elder Scrolls as a franchise is more of a "common story" focus, than a "common gameplay" focus, and I think that it's a great thing.

Too many people expect the series to follow the EA Sports thing: The same game everytime, with a few changes here and there. but that's NOT what TES is all about! and honestly, I think that's what keeps the series fresh: it's not an updated game you're getting, it's a TOTALLY different one.

Also, remember that you can't compete with a memory. even if Oblivion had been Morrowind with better graphics, it still wouldn't have felt the same, and then people would still complain anyways.
So I say: it's you right to like it, love it, don't like it, hate it. just don't push it down people's throats, as they might think the exact opposite of what you think, and they'd be perfectly right, without making your opinion wrong anyways

Oblivion is indeed awesome. Judging from the impact it had on me I'd have to name it personal favourite of a lifetime. I've never felt more immersed in a virtual world before or after.

OT: Will Skyrim be better? Probably - from any objective standard, then again both the Oblivion haters and myself will likely feel it don't size up to their very first TES experience

^ Edit: I hope I'm wrong!

It will be better than vanilla Oblivion, that wouldn't be very hard. The real question is if the modding community will be there to make it into the game we want to play.

Just another hater - passing on his opinion as objectivity.

Based on what I have read/seen it will be my new fav game.

Well said.

Will Skyrim be better than Oblivion? Man, I really hope so! Really though, it sounds like it's going to be a lot better, but like I've said a million times over, we'll just have to wait and see.

Best thing I have ever read on this forum. Thanks! :goodjob: