I hope they are going to take the best things of all the past games and make Skyrim the best game ever
While I agree that compared to Morrowind, Oblivion wasnt as good, but on its own its still one of the best (and maybe the best) game of its time.
There is absolutely no other game I have ever bought for the xbox 360 that even comes close to being half as good as Oblivion.

So if that is the standard for a TES game, being better than all other games of its time, I dont think we have anything to worry about with Skyrim.
Its going to be awesome.

You'll probably only like it if you like in-depth, lots of reading, and don't mind starting out bad (your character runs at like 2mph) then basically being a god by the end of the game.

Your in luck, Steam had MW:game of the year edition (MW with all the x-packs) for only $20.

Outdated graphics? Yeah, NOW. Morrowind's highest honor during its time was its graphics.
It was constantly referred to as the most detailed world with the most cutting edge graphics.

Oh, no! Not walking...
Just like real life. :ahhh:

But, yeah, the combat was a bit clunky. Though, I've seen much worse.

is it available on ps3?

I personally feel that Skyrim is going to well outdo Morrowind and Oblivion by a fair chunk.

However, until I see whether or not it has a better character generator than Daggerfall will I reserve judgment for "favourite TES title".

I might actually check it out

Nope, Xbox (original) and PC only. Though you don't need all that great of a PC to run it.

Steam has it and all the x=packs for $20. http://store.steampowered.com/app/22320/

No but I'd assume any computer can run it. My school laptop does and it's pretty much trash for games, and it runs Morrowind perfectly fine.

You can get it through Steam. You want to find a way to get around the next half year in anticipation of Skyrim? I'm absolutely jealous you haven't experienced Morrowind before, I'd give an arm or a leg to be able to erase my memory of that game and experience it over.

Nah, Skyrim might be (and probably) better that OB/FO3 but not MW, these games have much diffrent design philosophy,
Main focus of MW was on a believable setting with deep social and political aspects, game was ment to be more interseting and original than epic
OB/Skyrim aspire to be more of an action game with setting that is TES in heroic fantasy sauce with some epic vibes

One anecdote: My first exposure to Oblivion was watching someone play it in a common room in college, with someone playing another game on the adjacent screen. I watched for a while, and then grew bored by the tress/grass/etc, especially after my eyes were drawn in by the dark, cracked, glimmering and beautiful landscape on the screen next to it. I only realised the other screen was someone playing Morrowind when I saw the Cliff Racer fly down.
But I like dead, barren, cracked, dry and cold things. Oblivion had none of that, barring the realm of Oblivion itself. And the skies there just didn't do it for me.
Oblivion had better meshes and animations, but the aesthetic choices otherwise are mostly a matter of taste. (I have more hope for Skyrim in this regard, though. So yay!)

I've been playing Morrowind lately, and I okayed Oblivion for about 4 years. And I can see theres a huge difference. I dont think Skyrim has a hope in hell of coming anywhere near to what morrowind was.

God, I am so tired of people saying that MW is the better game period. It is different. It does some things worse, some things better. I, for one, found that Oblivion was much better because it was so much easier to get immersed and attached to the world - MW was too clunky. Anyway, I am not going to go on a big rant saying every way it is better, because it is not. Both games are masterpieces. Why can't we all just enjoy the games we like and not try to pass our opinions as facts.

On the actual subject, I want it to combine the best of both games to create the best game ever. However, I do not want it to be too much like either game, and instead create its own identity. That way, we have three perfect games that we can choose from.

Thanks for not ranting. People who rant make me mad. Everyone is entitled to their opinion, and if you can say yours without acting like a dike, gratz to you.

And one reason that MW had better stories than OB was probably because all the new games focus more on graphics than story.

Better Graphics = Less time spent on developing story

Oh well, its a fair trade to some, me being the type that loves books more than movies, I would take bad graphics over worse story anyday.

Nostalgia googles? Im playing it currently!!!

You cannot compare like for like regarding texturing, morrowind looks worse because its old! I'm talking about design of the landscape.

I feel like Vvardenfell is a REAL PLACE, everything makes sense. Regions are distinct. Theres towns that look imperial, theres Hlaalu towns, Redoran.. and then OMG telvanni cities are astonishing. Of course there are places in Morrowind that are "dull", but it makes sense that "ashlands" look like that.
I also felt there was more diversity of types of dungeon. Daedric, Dwemer, Dunmer strongholds, Ancestral tombs, velothi towers etc.

Compared, Cyrodiil looks like a green field with a few trees and a bit of a mountain to the north. The differences between cities felt "plastered on", with a lack of cultural diversity in the game. The diversity of dungeons is a also bit sad, Ayleid, generic forts and planes of Oblivion. Then mines and caves, like MW had.

I'd take the vibrant range of places in MW over OB anyday. Not that OB was a bad game. The combat had some definite improvements, like being able to control your blocking and an improved Magic and Stealth system. Also not being "roll" based so you missed a lot of times at low skill. I hope that Skyrim continues this move in the right direction.

Did I say anything about citys and dungeons? I only commented on the point about the landscapes. They were empty dull and boring to explore. Stay on point.

"Every time I play Oblivion after playing Morrowind I am impressed about the vivid landscape and all of its details"

Details. I'm filling in what makes up the detail of the landscape of Vvardenfell! Theres plenty of different regions in MW (looking at the large scale) and the place is seeped in places to explore. Yes, the game is old so the texturing isn't as good but come on.

(Copied and pasted from http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Morrowind:Places)
Ascadian Isles — A fertile agricultural region of islands and peninsulas in southernmost Vvardenfell.
Ashlands — A forsaken ash desert in the areas surrounding Red Mountain.
Azura's Coast — A mostly uninhabited region of rocky islands and peninsulas on Vvardenfell's eastern coast.
Bitter Coast — A swampy and poor region along Vvardenfell's west coast.
Grazelands — The pastures in northeastern Vvardenfell.
Molag Amur — A region of volcanic rock and lava pools in the southeastern interior of Vvardenfell.
Red Mountain — The volcanic mountain dominating central Vvardenfell which is encircled by the Ghostfence.
Sheogorad — A wild region of islands and peninsulas surrounding Sheogorad Island off Vvardenfell's northern coast.
West Gash — A rocky, highland region in western Vvardenfell that is rich in minerals.

Each region is distinct, and filled with places for you to explore. I'm sorry if you can't get beyond the aged graphics thats not the game's fault. Leave those of us that can judge the landscapes in terms of design and not texturing to our opinion.

Cyrodiil just seemed to be a field, with a mountain to the north and a swamp to the south.

Skyrim will epic fail in comparrison of Morrowind

Thanks for the list, yes there were many different regions but the were all empty and boring....I'm not talking about the graphics quality, I'm talking design. There is no content to any of the landscapes, just different colored cement ground.

This poll really only applies if you like Morrowind better than Oblivion, which I do.

It's hard to really say if it will be better. I'm sure a lot of the RPG purists have already thrown a fit about a lot of the "Trimming" They've done. I don't blame them, if that's the type of game they enjoy, but I like RPG to take a backseat to player involvement, so the changes to Skyrim, so far, suit me fine.

And it seems they are addressing the biggest complaints on Oblivion.


Skyrim definitely has the potential to be "Better than Morrowind" in my book, but there's a lot I just don't know, and a lot more that's open to interpretation.

As long as the Character development and world depth are top-notch, I see no reason why Skyrim can't be the best TES title to date.


Only one bit of info is mildly troubling. Attributes have been officially confirmed to be removed on the IGN article. What does this mean for the overall picture? Not a lot really. While attributes add quite a bit of depth to character development, they're also an incredible burden to balance. If removing them makes the game more open to balanced character development, I absolutely endorse their removal. My only real question, is how are derivative attributes going to be calculated now? Things like Encumbrance, Critical Hit Rate, magicka regeneration (if applicable, I don't see why it won't be though) etc.

See, this is the kind of constructive answer I'm looking for.

And I do hope they make magicka regeneration available. Playing a pure mage in MW was a pain because I had to keep resting between every fight.

and..Oblivion is different?


Skyrim can't do for Oblivion what Oblivion "did" Morrowind which "Did" for daggerfall which exceptionally "did" for arena

Arena to Daggerfall - Massive Content influx, story, quests, faction interplay, setting

Daggerfall to Morrowind is what Morrowind to Oblivion, an update on graphics and engine BUT Bethesda Kept a significant amount of content and the forumula for Dagger fall to Morrowind, Oblivion threw all that out the window.

Now the only thing Skyrim has for it is Content, if it outplays Oblivion in Story and Content (I.E EXTREMELY EASY) then maybe just maybe it will triumph Morrowind as well, Graphics and Gameplay comparing Morrowind to Oblivion is not an argument, those come with time, Skyrim doesnt have that "advantage"

Meh, of course it will be. But I don't think my opinion is any more important than anyone elses, so I'm not gonna vote or debate about it. You can't debate about pure opinions. Its like trying to figure out which piece of art is better. After a certon point, they're all at the same level and its opinion that determins what one thinks is better or not.

Of course it will... new engine, looks amazing, bigger world, random ques... you know what, im not even going to f**king bother

Thats why I asked your opinion on what you think about the subject.

Its a poll, your not voting for a new president.

:shrug: And I gave it to you. Its my opinion that these threads are kinda pointless. Its my opinion that they always end in Oblivion vs Morrowind fighting. Its my opinion that no two games should ever be compared, because its impossible to be unbais. And to top it all off, its my opinion that Skyrim is going to knock both games out of the water.