You do realize tools and techniques are getting better too....right?...not just disc's GPU's,memory etc.
You'll be amazed at what techniques they find out,when needing to fit more data etc,and squeezing more into games. And i'll say this again....blu-ray is not needed on current gen consoles,PS3 does not need blu-ray....that was not a smart move by sony,it cost them....not just in money loss,but the console race. Why do alot of PS3 games require you do install to hard-drive?
I would prefer the hard-drive option,especially for consoles,it's less strain and extends their life.
I'm not saying blu-ray is bad,but it simply was not needed on PS3,and for the current games on consoles....end of story!

Oblivion looked better and performed better on the PS3 (over the 360, not pc of course) so I have no reason to believe Skyrim will be any different.

Sorry your wrong...even todd said the xbox was smoother. Also the PS3 got even worse with the expansion/DLC added.
Get your info right.

This.

Sorry man but I have Oblivion got both PS3 and 360 and I gotta agree with Yanks and Showstopper. Oblivion does run slightly better and look slightly better on the PS3.

It's pretty much common knowledge and I've seen many other people say this as well.

Edit: I also have shivering isles and KotN for PS3 and it still runs better so not sure what you meant by "Also the PS3 got even worse with the expansion/DLC added."

You can't get around hardware limitations. You can only pull so much data through at once, regardless of how efficient your algorithms are. Neither console has a significant enough edge to make any real improvement over the other, assuming both are programmed equally well. Blu-ray is quite needed - not to have 50GB, but to have more than 8. DVD is too small, whenever you're using something to its limits in standard usage it's time for a new one, and filling up a single DVD is far from unheard of. We need another jump, whether that be blu-ray, pure digital, tape drive, whateverm but DVD doesn't cut it anymore.

They had another 6 months to a year before it came to PS3,so it going to look slightly better. As for the smoothness,it was not better,and actually got worse on PS3 after the DLC,that to is common knowledge. PS3 users are going to defend PS3,xbox users are going to defend 360...each to their own. But you have to ask yourself why most developers prefer xbox,especially todd.
I like to think i'm fair. I'm one of those people who wants both consoles to do well,it's competion,which is healthy for both parties and everyone involved.
I read alot of dev interviews ,not just bethesda. And across the board xbox is better to develop for,the way the GPU works with it's single 512mb of memory allows for some neat tricks,it allows more smoothness too.The PS3 has a little more power,but has two lots of 256mb memory. People don't realize how similar the consoles are,the both have good points and bad points.
But the xbox does allow for better smoothness overall. As for blu-ray...it's not needed on PS3 at all.

Here is some info i read ages ago about the two consoles:

The PS3 can do water effects slightly better than xbox "but the way the GPU works with the memory in the 360 allows for some neat tricks" which makes the xbox counter that water effect.
The are extremely similar,but what the overall view is,is that the GPU and memory work well in the 360.....alot of dev's have said this from way back.

We are all going to get to play skyrim: you prefer PS3,i prefer xbox,it's just what we like.
The point is,on this gen of consoles blu-ray is not needed.

Just my view :thumbsup:

You have a point, look at some of the first 360 games, then look at the ones coming out now. if you tell there's no advancement, you are either blind or just in denial. The hardware is mostly unchanged yes, but there has been a noticeably icnrease in quality over the years despite that.

I don't really care though, I saw the trailer, the game looked fine. I don't need it to look any better, if the game is enjoyable then that's all I care about.

EDIT: Don't drag a console war into this thread, it's childish, annoying and stupid. What you like is your business, if someone doesn't like the same thing you do, deal with it and shut up.

True and I respect your view. Thing is I do have both consoles and I have the DLC (Shivering Isles, KotN) for both PS3 and 360 and the PS3 still runs a little smoother. So I'm not sure where you are getting that the DLC bogs down the PS3 version. I think you are mixing up Oblivion with Fallout 3.

Was that end bit really necessary? Getting into graphical e-peen waving when comparing consoles is silly at best, but it's not in any way relevant.

You're right. I just edited it out.

Like any thread like this,it always turns into console V's console or consoles V's PC. In the end they all come to the same point.
You like what you like,and i like what i like,and i have no problem with that. To be honest it gets us nowhere,when we say this is better,that is better,it's like pissing against the wind.
I'm just as guilty as the next person for trying to make a point. I just want everyone to enjoy skyrim and appreciate what bethesda is trying to do with it.
I'll admit,i can get defensive and opinionated,but i do also try to be fair,just doesn't always work out like that.
Lets just come to the conclusion that we are both happy with what we've got/use :thumbsup:

Nicely said and I couldn't agree more.

I still think that Skyrim will be on one disc on the PC. Because I just don't think they'll make the PC textures etc. significantly better than the 360, unless the 360 takes up 8GB by itself. In that case it will need a new disc for the PC. But we'll wait and see

I thought the real issue devs were having with space was due to cinematics, which is why most of the multi disc games are games like Lost Odyssey, FFXIII, and other movie heavy games.

I don′t see what the gripe with installing is... installing a game is usually a one time event and then you can play for the rest of your days happily (unless some tragic accident happens... like if the game gets uninstalled D:).

It′s like going to the dentist to fix a hole, sure it hurts for a few minutes but you′re going to live with durn awesome hole-less-teeth for months! Unless you don′t keep up with maintenace making you have to go to the dentist again...

Correct, movies take up lots of space; it’s also useful to leave room for the game so it’s pretty easy to fill up a dvd.
Oblivion was around 5.5 GB Skyrim can be one and a half time bigger and fit on one dvd.
Around half of Oblivion was dialogue, now the easiest way to reduce size is to use a more aggressive compression on the dialogue sound files.

Only reason to release the game in two dvd on pc would be if it was made to fit on one dvd for xbox and extra textures made it a bit to large.

Depends on the person, but some people either have small install space (esp on consoles) or they have looooots of games, so there are people out there who don't just keep all their games installed.


(I'm an odd case, since I'm running my PC games in a bootcamp partition on an old-ish iMac - small by current standards HD, plus it's just a partition. But that's fine, because I'd be uninstalling all my gamesas games constantly - when I try a new mod setup, I always start with a fresh install. )

Only problem there is that some people don't have a dentist because microsoft sold teeth without the dental plan.

Er, I mean, not everybody had a hard drive because microsoft sold the orignal 360 without one, and now doesn't allow developers to require their use.

That is one of the major issues and just another reason why blu-ray is the way to go for disc distribution. You don't have to compress or limit yourself nearly as much.

Todd Howard said directly back with Oblivion that the 360 is their primary development platform. Meaning, it is ported to PS3 and PC, with any necessary changes made for the platform, IE controls, and Graphics settings menu for PC. I know the point you have been making, but its wrong. Thats the point I have been making. More game data, yes, we both agree on that. Enough to merit 2 discs, give that the game will be exactly the same, content wise, not a chance.

Why would I be bothered by the PC players "enjoying an overall better game" when I myself am a strictly PC gamer? (Nintendo DS not counted) Only console Ive ever owned was a Gamecube and I only ever bought 3 games for that.

That was over five years ago! PS3 wasn't even on the market yet!

He's also said it about Skyrim somewhere.

I got better idea. How about a USB flash drive with the game? 16GB flash drive is sold around $20 at Walmart. That way, it's faster and bigger, and you won't need to buy whatever disc reader it comes with.
I'm hoping that the production cost for these drives would be a lot cheaper by Nov 11 and in large volume. Since it comes with a USB drive, you can make the package insanely small, and it cuts the packaging & shipping cost too! Imagine the mini TES5 box sitting on a shelf with other game boxes. It can be an industry changer! You can even hang it on the impulse wall.

Unless you have information to the contrary, the most current information, no matter how old, still stands supreme.

So please, cite your insider sources if you have any.

@MagicStee: I love the idea of seeing games on flash drives. And a real collectors items as well. Easily locked so you cant reuse it as a standard flash drive as well...