It is not a matter of question. The PC version WILL have high resolution textures on the disc. Your argument makes zero sense. Do you really believe BGS would bottleneck their own game for lower-end PCs and 360 only? That is what SETTINGS are for. Low-end PC = LOW SETTINGS. That's how it works. I don't know how much more clear I can be on this. The PC version is not determined by the 360 or low-end PCs.

Blu-Ray discs do not cost a lot more than DVD's to make, so the patent holders are just gouging everyone like they did when DVD tech came out. The game will be on DVD's for the PC because the vast majority still use DVD drives, like me.

My hard drive currently has over 600GB of games on it... some of the games are over 30GB before you factor in save files. Upgrading to a 1 TB drive a couple years ago has paid off.

god i thought it was like 8.

man microsoft has to do something about that still cuz a blu ray can hold over 20 or something. and i hated in ME2 that i had to switch disks. thats just so previous generation.

I think you're all forgetting one thing here: Oblivion had poorly optimized meshes, mhich means more polygons than necessary.
So the newer models for Skyrim might take around the same space, maybe a bit more xonsidering the new stuff that's not replacing anything, but just being completely new. I'd suspect around 1 or 2 BG more than Olbivion, which leads us to around 7 GB.
Yet again, I'm no expert, but that's my GUESS

Also, you REALLY seem to know an awful lot about the game... even before the devs themselves know how much space the game will take...

AND OF COURSE IT''LL FIT A SINGLE DVD! HOW IN THE HELL DO YOU MAKE AN OPEN WORLD GAME ON 2 DVDS?

On the 360, sure. The PC version will require more disc space, however. And being an open-world game isn't a concern for PC because it supports FULL INSTALL. There is no disc swapping. I think I've had to say this like three times now in this thread alone. Being an open-world game doesn't matter on PC like it does for consoles. Once you've installed the game on your HDD, it's done. All of the game data is read from your hard disk, not the DVDs.

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You. Obviously.

Not fair to use Blu-Ray. Otherwise (most) PC gamers and the XBox 360 gamers will miss out.

20 gigs is what i want, 10 gigs is what i expect. :sadvaultboy:

Blue-ray is just more space..it also uses a different colour lazer that reads a little faster,( hence blu-ray ) but not much. There is no need for PS3 to be blue-ray.
Blu-ray is what essentially held sony back in the console race,it was too expensive,thus is why PS3's cost so much when released.Alot of games on PS3 require you to install to the hard-drive...thus whats the point of blue-ray on PS3?...besides movies...and even then the difference isn't that great.
Forza had two disks,but you only used one ever,because the other was installed on the hard-drive. If blue-ray is so good ,then why have alot of games on PS3 install to hard-drive?
Putting games on the hard-drive,de-creases load times. It doesn't matter if a game is 1,2 or 3 disc's,it goes on the hard-drive anyway,which means you only ever need the one disc.

Also take into account that new tech and new techniques are always improving....meaning they know how to cram more info on one disc,without losing quality.
Also installing on the hard-drive also increases the chance of longer console life,it keeps the systems cooler,the lens etc is not needed to constantly read stuff. That has now been digitally and magnetically been stored on the hard-drive....Why do alot of PS3 games require you to install to hard-drive,if you have blue-ray?...to me it makes it more or less useless on the PS3 console.
PS3 users ( some ) say xbox not having blue-ray,will lead to it's downfall or make it weaker etc,nothing could be further from the truth.

Thing is,there is no need for some of of this stuff/ or gadgets etc,it's just a money making ploy. It happens everywhere.
Thats my opinion.

16Gb DC universe took four hours to install.. If Skyrim was 40 GB some PS3s wouldn't have enough space for it and the install would take ages. Anyone know how bit Oblivion was? Skyrim could be up to ten times as much and it would be reasonable.

HD DVD is dead. :facepalm:

I really have no idea whether you're being serious or just arguing for the sake of arguing.

Why do these games need more space? Because they use higher res textures, because they don't re-use assets, and they are free to do so because the games follow linear storylines. Elder scrolls will never be on multiple disks because there aren't really any "swapping out" points. It's a free-roam game, which means all of it must be integrated together. You just can't do that if it needs multiple disks.

PC will use Steamworks
PS3 will probably use Steamworks
360 will be a single disk.

It is a little sad though that the 360 doesn't have digital distribution handled well like the other two, despite the fact that it needs it more than the others.

How does Oblivion and Fallout 3 play on an Xbox without harddrive anyway? Believe it will be loading time hell having to wait to read from dvd all the time?

Main benefit of two dvd would be room for more dialoge. Oblivion used around 5.5GB, 3 was models and texture 2.5 was dialogue.
As it looks like Skyrim will get far more unique dungeons and architecture, this will give us more models and textures. I doubt they will cut down on monsters, armor and clothing so perhaps 5GB models and textures and 3 for dialogs.
This might be the main reason to only have rumours for standard npc.

One possibility is that the PC version come on 2 dvd as it uses higher resolution textures, however since the pc version installs they can use harder compression.

SSD is much faster SSD= :bolt: HDD= :turtle:

Wow, look at him go

Is that permission to laugh in your face like a crazed psycho when you are wrong? It will fit on a single DVD.



16GB uncompressed. And its an MMO. They always have larger file sizes because they have thousands more unique single use models and textures.

Oblivion was ~4.5GB uncompressed, Fallout 3 was ~5.5GB and NV was ~6GB

Sorry for double post.

http://www.gamesas.com/index.php?/topic/1169072-1-or-2-disks-xbox360/page__st__20__p__17228362__fromsearch__1#entry17228362
this topic has already been talked about in a round about way

Well they can put it all on a 9GB disc and have it be extremely compressed. The Star Wars Force Unleashed Ultimate Sith Edition came in two DVDs and after Installation it was 21GB in size.

I want to see 7 double layer BluRays worth of content AT THE MINIMUM

Well perhaps ten times the size would be just a little too much, so a good 10 GB would be ok for a single player game. And yeah, mmos are what they are. A pain in the @** to download.

All of the two disk games i have played on my 360 only require you to change the disk once. Once you have changed the disk at a certain point in the game you always launch from disk two. It wouldn't bother me having to change disks over, it takes like 5 seconds.

Also - Xbox 360 = Duel layer DVD - 8.5 - 9 GB capacity.

I think i heard it mentioned by Todd in a pod cast that he wasn't really interested in multi-disc games. But if they are limited to space then i dont see why they wouldn't spread over a couple of discs for 360.

Put it this way... If the disc capacity of the 360 limits what they want to do with this game, then i'd expect a couple of discs for 360 and PC DVD versions.

No, it's really not. You don't need Steam to be able to play a game without the disk, I've played games which do not require Steam yet do not have a mandatory disk check every time you play the game before. And honestly, I find inserting the disk for the game less troublesome than using Steam. Especially since I can keep the disk in the drive at all times unless I want to use a different disk.

Steam is used, or at least mandatory, because it provides a means of DRM, and one that's not hated quite as much as Ubisoft style mandatory internet connection DRM (Of course, Steam requires an internet connection to, the difference being that you can run it in offline mode... after you've already done the mandatory online registration, of course.) and EA's atrocious limited installs scheme, there's really no other excuse to force players to use Steam.

But on this matter, I wouldn't be surprised if Skyrim is one DVD on all platforms, I really haven't played many games that have more than one disk on the PC since DVDs became standard with games. At most, I could see it taking up 2 DVDs, but I can't really see it being any larger than that.

Not sure if it was mentioned earlier in the post, but what we are failing to speak about are the costs associated with distributing 2 DVD's (or BD) over one.

Today, companies need to be cognizant of rises costs for shipping. An extra DVD will add more weight to the cost of delivery and eventually cut into the profits of Bethseda, as they are not willing ot go over the $70.00 threshold.

Just a thought...