Will skyrim have katana's / cutlesses? : V - Skyrim

» Mon Oct 03, 2011 7:03 am

Yes, but that only applies to the real world, not to TES.

I'll have to disagree there, a sword is a sword. If it looks exactly like it does in the real world, it should have the same qualities as the real life version.

» Sun Oct 02, 2011 9:52 pm

There is a difference between Tamriel lore and Skyrim lore. Just because Skyrim is the land of Nords with heavy "viking" influences does not mean that the general Tamriel lore would be omitted. Not to mention the last remnants of the Blade faction is in skyrim. Akaviri artifacts most certainly would make there way into Skyrim.

It actually would, since it's in a different land. Even if they would find itself into it, it would be a small portion of it and in a small area.

@Turns-The-Page

Sure it has a bit of those, but not as much as what I have stated. The main influence and the biggest focus is Northern. In fact I actually think that having those in there would actually break the immersion instead of having "Diversion" if you will.

» Mon Oct 03, 2011 6:23 am

i reall doubt it... those kinds of swords arnt really nordic.

» Sun Oct 02, 2011 8:20 pm

I'll have to disagree there, a sword is a sword. If it looks exactly like it does in the real world, it should have the same qualities as the real life version.

And if it is made of a fantastical material, as opposed to a real-world equivalent?

» Mon Oct 03, 2011 7:31 am

It actually would, since it's in a different land. Even if they would find itself into it, it would be a small portion of it and in a small area.

Except the whole fact Skyrim resides in Tamriel.

» Mon Oct 03, 2011 3:25 am

Sure it has a bit of those, but not as much as what I have stated. The main influence and the biggest focus is Northern.

I'm aware of that, but the fact is that there is nothing to stop Skyrim having katanas if Oblivion had them too, since the part of the world where the Akaviri had the most influence on Tamriel was in the north.

I'll have to disagree there, a sword is a sword. If it looks exactly like it does in the real world, it should have the same qualities as the real life version.

Yes, but not under TES physics. there are different materials used, different manufacturing methods. There's a point where artistic license has to trump realism in order to prevent boredom.

» Mon Oct 03, 2011 8:16 am

It actually would, since it's in a different land. Even if they would find itself into it, it would be a small portion of it and in a small area.

@Turns-The-Page

Sure it has a bit of those, but not as much as what I have stated. The main influence and the biggest focus is Northern. In fact I actually think that having those in there would actually break the immersion instead of having "Diversion" if you will.

By your argument, we should have none of the other races in Skyrim at all. Just Nords, nothing else. No Argonians, Elves, Imperials, Bretons, Khajit. Yeah that's totally fitting with the lore.
:shakehead:

» Mon Oct 03, 2011 4:49 am

And if it is made of a fantastical material, as opposed to a real-world equivalent?

It's already created, it's called a Bastard Sword. I also stated that it's design is draw-back when performing techniques.

@Riakon

Not when you are having real world influence you are not.

» Mon Oct 03, 2011 9:48 am

By your argument, we should have none of the other races in Skyrim at all. Just Nords, nothing else. No Argonians, Elves, Imperials, Bretons, Khajit. Yeah that's totally fitting with the lore.
:shakehead:

Guess what? It is the main race, it's the race it was first shown it's the race you will be born as. It's the race that has the most influence.

» Mon Oct 03, 2011 10:34 am

Fine, if we can't have any eastern tropes, we can't have any viking ones. Let's get rid of the horned helmets, the armor with no sleeves, and lets especially get rid of those ridiculously unrealistic two headed battleaxes.

it's the race you will be born as

Nah, curvy sword wielding Dunmer here.

» Mon Oct 03, 2011 8:35 am

Fine, if we can't have any eastern tropes, we can't have any viking ones. Let's get rid of the horned helmets, the armor with no sleeves, and lets especially get rid of those ridiculously unrealistic two headed battleaxes.

'Vikings' didn't have any horned helmets, nor did they use two-headed battle axes. :biggrin:

» Mon Oct 03, 2011 4:27 am

@Riakon

Not when you are having real world influence you are not.

I'm not entirely sure what this means but Tamriel is the continent that all the provinces are part of (except Summerset and Akavir)

» Mon Oct 03, 2011 7:13 am

Yep, a real world viking would never use a soul gem at the enchanting altar on a katana, that just wouldn't make sense.

» Sun Oct 02, 2011 9:59 pm

Fine, if we can't have any eastern tropes, we can't have any viking ones. Let's get rid of the horned helmets, the armor with no sleeves, and lets especially get rid of those ridiculously unrealistic two headed battleaxes.

Actually many Archeologists believe that the Horn Helmets was made up. The Vikings used to wear helmets yes, but the Horns were fabricated. Many developers and movie directors make the mistake of adding Horns to the helmet.

» Mon Oct 03, 2011 6:43 am

And if it is made of a fantastical material, as opposed to a real-world equivalent?

Edit:
Depends on the quality of the material in question.

» Mon Oct 03, 2011 12:35 am

you know what ninjas probably used? anything that was readily available. Including chopsticks. As I understand they didnt have the same degree of ceremony surrounding their tools. But who knows. Clearly if we know anything about ninjas they probably werent very good ninjas. We only know about the svckers.

» Sun Oct 02, 2011 7:13 pm

it's the race you will be born as

No it isn't.

» Mon Oct 03, 2011 3:47 am

Will they have full-plated armor akin to the ones used in the middle ages? Most likely.

» Sun Oct 02, 2011 8:42 pm

I'm not entirely sure what this means but Tamriel is the continent that all the provinces are part of (except Summerset and Akavir)

As in Skyrim has real world influence, so, if it has real world influence then respect some of it. Sure you would have some races in the North but in no way if would overrule their history. Like I said, there may be those but in small areas and hard to find, especially when you have better alternatives.

» Mon Oct 03, 2011 10:24 am

I'm sure that other types of weapons have been imported/brought into skyrim, it just may not be as common as in past games.

» Mon Oct 03, 2011 1:41 am

As in Skyrim has real world influence, so, if it has real world influence then respect some of it. Sure you would have some races in the North but in no way if would overrule their history. Like I said, there may be those but in small areas and hard to find, especially when you have better alternatives.

more like real world myth and folklore influence rather than factual historical influence

» Sun Oct 02, 2011 11:28 pm

Actually many Archeologists believe that the Horn Helmets was made up. The Vikings used to wear helmets yes, but the Horns were fabricated. Many developers and movie directors make the mistake of adding Horns to the helmet.

Exactly!

So why can we have pretend horned helmets and axes, but we can't have a curvy sword that actually existed?

» Sun Oct 02, 2011 6:07 pm

No it isn't.

I see, I must have gotten the Dragon Born thing wrong. It's still the main and most influential race.

@nightcobra
Most of the "Myths" about Vikings are rather true. Norse Mythology is something else.

» Sun Oct 02, 2011 11:35 pm

Exactly!

So why can we have pretend horned helmets and axes, but we can't have a curvy sword that actually existed?

Like I said, the reason why it's there is because the developers don't know about it, it's a common mistake, by the ignorant? Your choice. Otherwise it would not. And again, why would you have an inferior sword when you have much better alternatives.

» Mon Oct 03, 2011 7:47 am

I never said it would have a dominant influence, I was primarily stating that the whole lore of TES shouldn't be omitted just because the game takes place in Skyrim. I wasn't stating that Akaviri would have the dominant cultural impact on the region. The blades (users of the Akavir equipment) being in Skyrim is just an example of the artifacts existing there.

Like I said, the reason why it's there is because the developers don't know about it, it's a common mistake, by the ignorant? Your choice. Otherwise it would not. And again, why would you have an inferior sword when you have much better alternatives.

And its also there own creation and work. If they want to use myths of our own human cultural history so be it, it is a fantasy game.