Two things.

I hate that console players complain with PC players. It's generally muddled, confusing and annoying. We need separate forums.

The other is that wont you PC players be pretty satisfied once you get mods created or downloaded that address your angst?

I guess what I'm getting at is why beat up Vanilla Skyrim if you're a PC gamer? Lots of bark and no suggested solutions is just... crying. You get a Construction Kit eventually. That combined with script extenders let's you do everything short of making multi-player possible.






Haters probably aren't going anywhere lol.

I heard C# is best video game ever made, because you can make everything you want just like you want in it.

Releasing an editor is no excuse for blatant errors and imbalances (if such things exists, that is.).

Because a lot of issues are really poor to be having
Because some issues are cross platform
Because relying on the community to fix stuff is a poor way to bet your money.

Most of all, because you do not want the same errors repeated in future development irrespective of platform.


Just a few of reasons, I'm sure there are more.

Yeah but are you immediately looking for blame when you buy a new video game? Ever hear the saying "Fix the problem not the blame."? At least you get a Construction Kit. How many games let you do that with such versatility and liberty as ES games do?

hm? there are alot of suggestions throwing around, in fact you can view most complains as suggestion, it really depends on how you view it.

"we have CK anyway" is not the proper attitude to try to improve the game play, with your logic, Bethesda might as well give PC players lore and tell us to make our own game for next TES title.

The suggested and worked on solutions are over in the modding forum. Take a look there if you like!

never played fallout or oblivion on launch aye?




but om topic yes think alot of people are just hanging to get their teeth into the CK

i dont want to play anymore until there are some descent mods out!

Depends on your point of view. CS is rarely used for technical solutions, just personal preference solutions.

Depends on the issue, some are point of view, some technical

Fix what exactly? All it allows to fix, is to modify the game so that players can personalise the game to their own preferences. Calling mods a fix is misleading imo and entirely perspective based.
Asking the community to "fix" a product is also a lazy way of demanding your preferences would have been the correct way to make the game to the exclusion of all others.


It seems to me, that some of the perceived errors are personal preference dressed up in pseudo-facts.

I'm not having a go at you personally, and issues should be discussed, but half the arguments on these board are from both sides of the discussion demanding their opinion is fact.

There's nothing wrong with the Skyrim Mod forum. It's perfect in fact. All threads in the Skyrim Mod forum are on-topic and completely bereft of disrespect.

I was of course referring to this forum when I made this post. It's why I made the post here. It's also clear to me that some people are in fact giving suggestions I haven't addressed them. I think my aim is pretty clear it's at nay-sayers who simply are 'nay-saying' Haters who simply 'hate'.

Sure we will. Although the keyword is eventually. I have Skyrim for 16 days now but there is no Creation Kit. Without it I can't really mod Skyrim the way I want to.

There arent any 'haters' on this forum to begin with.

I find it funny that people call others haters. I can call others ass kissers?

How about letting everyone have an opinion instead of trying to judge people without actually reading and understanding the complaints?

Well, if I had to name just one I'd say the UI is an utter abomination.

Whilst, yes it is my personal opinion, having to google to find out that my character has a disease is an epic UI fail. Active effects are not touched in the 'manual' (I use the term loosely), the notification area is not mentioned either.

Shared keys to do radically different actions is also beyond stupid.


Little things that, yes can be set aside and the game still enjoyed, I'd rather longer term enjoy the game as opposed to enjoy the game in spite of the utterly stupid, crappy interface.

Slippery slope, anybody?

I feel well-informed enough to pass judgment as I see fit to. How can I stop an opinion? I've never even tried.

This is the point in time where mods are recommended for every little complaint.
After a while the "haters" will disperse to other games,
The majority of PC gamers will be happily fire-balling away with their mods
Console gamers will learn to add "I play on the 360/PS3 so dont suggest mods please" to their help topics.
Eventually, a month or two, everything will calm down.

For PC gamers, its not ideal, but mods will allow you a choice. Time and Money spent on multiple interfaces is time and money taken away from content etc. Its not terrible on a console,



Ah, I see what you mean. Hardly a huge fail thou... not close to epic. Actually, the game handles it really well I thought. I noticed I was having a slightly tougher time in combat. It wasn't until I went into town and somebody said.. "you don't look so well", I took 10 seconds to find active effects.. because it made sense, and having played previous games I naturally gravitated to it. Never even realised it was a problem until you mentioned it thou.
Whats your suggestion?



In fairness, and I say this as a PC gamer, the game was designed for the console market, but they provide PC users with an incredible tool to individually personalise their own game. I'd be surprised if this is a commonly abhorred problem in this case.



Interface is crappy for mouse and keyboard. No question. Knowing it will be fixable in the future, does it really warrant the hate?

Its certainly very lazy of them, I agree, but indications are is that the final product was a little rushed out. But.. isn't there already menu fixes out there?

Well yes. I basically play in spite of the interface.

Status effects etc are pretty damned critical information, they shouldn't be so deeply buried, likewise not being able to easily track short lived active effects and so forth is just rubbish.

I hate on my caster to need to constantly pause the game just to pick a spell, the hotkeys are worthless.

I've had to reload more than once because I emptied an entire storage chest into my inventory, or ate half the contents of my alchemy ingredient stash by mistake.


They're little things, things I can get passed, but they are avoidable things. They are things that really should have been brought up in testing.


Anyway my point is, perhaps in future, be it patch/DLC or release, we can avoid such foolishness by letting people know here today

Lets not complain about the complainers