Okay having been a fallout fan since fallout came out back in 97' i really fell in love with the series my favourite faction was the,Brotherhood of steel faction located in Chicago so i was thinking maybe they will return in a future title maybe the commonwealth they fight the androids and the capital Wasteland Bos for the institutes tech.

Well I kinda killed the general

I think that idea is a little bit of a strech there buddy mainly because it took a California based group near 80 years to get to Mexico and Las Vegas I doubt they're go to Boston to fight Androids. But I do think they'll return in Fallout 4 which I believe is going to take place in Chicago

I really hope they come back and I hope even more Bethesda does not write them off as a small faction in Chicago. After all they called the "High-Level Events" of Tactics canon.

I really hope the http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u2ZcpcO7C58 is canon. The story would be awesome. The Enclave in Chicago would be alot like the MWBoS that have started to form a fascist military dictatorship that goes from Chicago to Colorado but the Enclave would have had to change as well. Dispite the BoS acting alot like them they are still impure in the eyes of the Enclave but if the Enclave in the area were smart they could become allies with the bos.

Way I see it. The MWBoS fight a bloody war against the Super Mutants and then the Calculator. They force settlements to aid them by giving food, ammo and their best and brightest. Many people do join willingly but the BoS treat them as cannon fodder. The Elders let mutations join because they can be very useful in places humans can't due to radiation.

Vault Zero falls to the BoS and Barnaky becomes one with the Calculator. The BoS are happy to have General Barnaky back. There is a push to make him the head Elder of the MWBoS. The famed warrior (you) who is also a General backs the move to make Barnaky the new head elder. Which he does become.

He soon recalls all mutations from the BoS armies and orders them back to their home bases were they are disarmed and tagged, later to be sent to work camps. BoS stops letting mutations join. Laws are pased and any mutation within the BoS' territory is to be rounded up and also sent to camps. (work/death camps) Which is the start of the great betrayal.

Elders that were most against Barnaky becoming head elder are removed from power. Soon purges happen with in the BoS, anyone that was against barnaky or seen to aid mutations are also sent to the camps. Entire settlement get put to the flame. Soon the Mutant Liberation army forms. BoS caravans and outpost get hit. Work camps are liberated. The BoS see a dramatic fall in people willing to join the BoS. They start having desertions.

Human numbers are replaced more an more by calculator robots and more purges follow fearing an inside job. The BoS stop trying to contact the West in order to get their own house in order.

Biggest blow happens when rouge BoS members set off several bombs within Vault Zero in a failed coup d'état. Many of the calculators systems are damaged beyond repair. Barnaky lives but finds has less control over the robotic forces. He can't control them all at once and the ability to make more robots is severely hampered.

Mutant Liberation Army makes allies with whats left of the reaver movement and are supplied with EMP weapons. The remaining slaver/raider groups once again become stronge and prey on BoS settlements and outposts.

Decades of bloody Guerrilla warfare against the MLA and the predation of other factions (slavers, raiders) have driven the MWBoS back to their remaining strongholds such as Vault Zero and Cities in between Colorado and Chicago.

Lyons and his BoS are sent out to make contact but don't really know where they are, they know the MWBoS went East. They took a path that takes them away from the MWBoS strongholds at Vault Zero and the others in the Midwest. As Lyons gets closer to DC he hears rumors of people that have similar tech and a simbol are in the area. Lyon spends along time hunting down those rumors. MWBoS fearing that Lyons is just the tip of a larger army coming up from the south west, do what they can to not be found by them.

Lyons is persistent and soon the MWBoS send out a group of their own elders to make contact. They tell Lyons that MWBoS are just a few hundred men and women close to Chicago. Lyons having made contact goes on to the more imprtaint mission of heading to DC.

Like the Barnaky ending states its a war the Mutant Liberation Army is distended to lose. MWBoS have seen bitter defeat after bitter defeat for generations and are now a shadow of their glory days but time is on their side. Mutations can't reproduce and the ones that don't fall to the BoS will be taken care of by father time. The humans and fellow bos memebers that sided with the MLA grow tired of fighting. Seeing as how they have crippled the MWBoS and liberated much of their territory. They just want to settle and farm, the threat is all but gone (so they think). After generations of war the younger generations don't take up the fight.

Maybe the MWBoS will find an ally in Augustus Autumn and his advanced tech can help the MWBoS take back what they lost.

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The Barnaky ending is impossible, given the original mission of the CWBoS was a failure (find the MWBoS - obviously if it controlled an expansive Empire this wouldn't be an issue).

Read my post. In it I explain what could have happened to the MWBoS in the 80 or so years since Fallout Tactics. FO3 says the MWBoS have fallen on hard times.

Second we don't know what path Lyons took on his way to DC.

Well, i have not played Tactics, so i cannot offer my opinion except what i have read on the Wiki, and how it clashes with Canon, except that they have fallen on hard times. I think they will need a revision in order to be done properly with Canon sources, as from what i have read, they need it, for the most part. I will not pass solid judgement until i play it, but that is my humble opinion.

Fallout Tactics does not mess with Canon. Let me tell you why people turned on Tactics.

Fallout Tactics has a location called Vault Zero. Vault Zero is built in Cheyenne Mountain. Now Vault Zero is home to the Calculator which is the main protagonist of Tactics. Tactics was released in 2001.

Now another Game set to be released in 2003 also had Cheyenne Mountain as a location in the game but its Cheyenne Mountain was to be very different then the one in Tactics. It was to be "The Crater" a very larger and very radioactive hole in the ground, what is left of NORAD. It was to be home to many glowing ghouls. This game was to be Fallout 3 aka Van Buren but it was cancelled and therefore not Canon.

Now Tactics was published and Van Buren was cancelled so therefore Tactics can't go against it and therefore Tactics does not mess with Canon. All fallouts have inconsistencies.

All the other "Canon breaking" things of Tactics can be logically explained. I find it easier to explain any "inconsistencies" in Tactics then it is to explain the ones in FO3 yet everyone agrees FO3 is fully canon.

Well, I sure for one vote for their return, and for Enclave, and for Chicago, Detroit, Canada/Windsor.

If it has vault O or calculator elements, I would be okay wth it, too, but seems like that could be too large of a map. Dunno.

The great thing, imo, of midwest is can have characters from fonv and characters from fo3 make an appearance and make total sense.

Who knows, maybe east bos and mwbos have to team up against wcbos and outcasts, with enclave and new factions of the midwest thrown into the mix to not only determine the main power of the midwest, but the future of the BoS, and perhaps, future of enclave.

They story that Styles just told... is perfect.

agreed. This needs to be Fallout 4's plot.

Perfect setting. Perfect storyline. Perfect Fallout game. :celebration:

Thanks guys :foodndrink:

The game to be released in 2003. Every time I think of that game I can't help but bow my head.

I am sad about Van Buren being cancelled but why keep shunning Tactics? If Van Buren was made Tactics would not be Canon thats a given but Van Buren was not made so therefore Tactics is canon and Bethesda says the "High-Level Events" are canon.

it is because of inconsistencies with the Canon storyline from the main games my smoking eyed Vault boy, that is why. Allow me to quote what i got from the Fallout Tactics Article on the Wiki:



That is why until i play the game myself, all i will believe is that all the Midwest Brotherhood is, is a group of Brotherhood, who do not want to deal with the West or East Coast, and has fallen on hard times, nothing more nothing less, no Vault 0, nothing from tactics at all until i have played it and judged it myself, and until then, they are just like or similar to the other members of the brotherhood, no offense to anyone else.

I hate to tell you this but the wiki is writen by fallout fans. Fallout fans that turned on Tactics because of Van Buren. They used to call it Semi Canon, now they just say may contradict Canon. Every Fallout has inconsistencies. I can name some with FO2. FO3 has tons!

There are no canon breaking inconsistencies. Trust me I have been playing the game since it came out. I have had over 9 years to think about it.

Name me a canon breaking inconsistency with Fallout Tactics.

Edit: Bethesda has said the "High-Level Events" of Tactics are Canon, which means to me the main plot and characters and therefore Vault Zero.

Tactics was a very fun game, I still remember being pinned down by heavy fire by Muties with M60's... Good times.

I didn't see any big ones.

The existence of airships (zeppelins) was something I never really liked (as well as the prevalence of fuel-based vehicles) and would prefer it if they just "walked" to the midwest like Lyons walked to DC. Airships are kind of a "ehhh....i dunno" thing. Much like Liberty Prime.

Is it really to big of a leap? NCR has trains and trucks (yes, those military trucks in McCarran, McCarran in an airport, those truck are pristine, they came from somewhere else recently) how hard is it to fill a big balloon with hydrogen gas?

I like the Zeppelins but they did get destroyed and unlike Optimus Prime flash bulbs and sensor modules arn't going to fix them. Still the game does not say the fuel is gas. Could be ethanol or biodiesel. Oil in the Oil drums could be bio oil. Most of those Oil drums are just full of radioactive stuff. Fallout was going the way of vehicles. Fallout 2 sends you to get fuel for the Tanker and Boomers in New Vegas have fuel for their bomber.

I suppose its not that big of a leap. Its just why haven't the BoS used airships since? Why didn't Lyons use them?

Also I assumed that McCarren airport in the Fallout universe has been turned into more of a military airport since the fighter planes are there. The trucks didn't look much more pristine than the ones in Fallout 3, and those didn't move.

Anyway im not necessarily opposed to vehicles but I thought that was one of the minor issues with tactics. That a relative abundance of fuel was shown despite the resource wars occuring.

My theory on the Airships.

The BoS sent over the Rockies to follow the Masters Army where ones that wanted change ie New Blood. The Elders debated it for along time. They built the airships even though they knew it was a dangerous way to travel. The ones going told them there was a big chance they would run into a storm. Now my theory, the Western Elders wanted that. They wanted them to run into a storm and be destroyed. Winning a Civil War without firing a shot.

Building the Aiships takes alot of time and resources and they know its dangerous after all they lost their first attempt. Now that NCR has expanded as far as they have I doubt BoS have the time to do it or the people to send.

I suppose that makes sense, Im still not sure how exactly they made them but it makes as much sense as anything else.

Yep alot of these so called "inconsistencies" can be explained with some thought. Its easier then trying to explain FO3 IMO. Then again I have been thining about it for 9 years. Every Fallout has inconsistencies. What way did Lyons take to get to DC and how did he do it in two years?, we don't know. So its not that hard to imagine that the BoS managed to build Airships.

What would have made Tactics none Canon (another BoS) would have been Van Buren but it was never made.

Tactics is Semi-Canon as fas that I knew

Some things are in the lore,(the MIDBOS exist) and other dont (Furry Deathclaws, Robots PWNZORS POWAH HAXOR)