So in many games as of late Newbs or Noobs or however you want to describe them have flowed tears of anguish as they have been slaughtered by the good plays. Now im all for getting less capable people in games however I have not for that if it consists of dumbing down things such as weapon damage or buffing health. Look at games such as MAG, Socom, and many others. Yes im a Console gamer whatever i dont want this to happen on any console or PC. I want a game that is for "elite" players if u will and not just casual players.

is anyone else afraid of this happening or am I just being paranoid because all the games I love have been destroyed by noob tears

Mathonn-
Actually, he's expressing concern about the game being changed post release because of complaints, which happens in this era of post release programming. If a vocal majority expresses dislike for a feature the developers often cave and change the feature, not for the sake of balance (you really think they don't know how a weapon is going to work after months of testing). Then somebody complains about something else, and then something else, and pretty soon the game is hardly comparable to what it was when it was purchased.

Generally while the feature that gets complained about could use a minor tweak in many cases, it instead gets a complete overhaul because a collection of people refuse to learn how to use it. And there have already been quite a few "I'm worried about this being OP" threads around here, as well as a great deal of misunderstanding about certain features, so there will undoubtedly be a collection of people that aren't satisfied with a particular feature and beg for it to get changed.

Nerfs are not the answer.



he said it better than me

what is going on in these forums?

i keep seeing an increase in thread about people criticizing 'noobs', 'newbs', little kids, 'ragers' etc...

people seriously need to get off their high horse

than you havnt seen what happens when enough kids or "newbs" start complaining about something and than it gets changed to the way they want and than the game is so dumbed down that is it almost unplayable

No. I disagree. The reason that Splash Damage is making this a game is so that it can bring casual players and hardcoe gamers as well together, to play a game and just have fun.
Personally, "elite" players tend to be jerks. They tend to act arrogant and look down at other players.

Lastly, your view of patches is completely wrong. It's not because some players whine. Patches are created for balance when they notice errors, and stats are often changed because of a major amount of the community notice that there are issues, and don't want to let any certain weapon become overpowered or underpowered.


Edit: [I don't know much about MAG, comment deleted.]

Heh, you should play WoW. Then you'll truly see what it means to cater to the masses.

Also:

"Newbs" = New to the game
"Noobs" = Derogatory term used to imply a lack of skill

Just so you know.

Oh, and I agree with Shimigami - it's bad form to criticize others when the game hasn't even released yet for you to see if they will "cry". However, I will agree it is pretty frustrating to have an enjoyable game made easier just to please those unwilling to put forth the effort it takes to perform well in it (i.e. WoW).

hmph...aren't you complaining about complainers? and you are complaining that noobs get their way, but you want that they DONT get their way, hence you get it YOUR way.

lol you are complaining and want things to be your way. its irony that you are criticizing other for doing what you are doing.

well if you truely are "elite", you should be able to adapt to any changes to a game... sure cod has a bunch of noob stuff, still doesnt mean you cant be an elite player.

and sometimes things do need to be changed because why should a certain gun be op compared to all the rest? if something is op then it defeats the purpose of having other guns since everybody will just use the op gun.

Sorry to be off topic but I can't take you seriously with that grammar. I am not the best at grammar but use a period at least. Please.

I KNOW WHAT THE NEXT GET SMART VIDEO OUGHT TO BE. 'The infamous learning curve'.

I call it hunkey-dorey syndrome. It's when you get a large group of yea-men posting the same things over and over again until those things, mostly sentiments and ideas about the (BRINK) world, are seen as incontrovertible truth by that large group of people. It's a delusion, and one I'm positive will break on release day, when their hopes and dreams are shattered as it turns out BRINK isn't exactly this ho-hum fantasy they thought it would be. Which is a good thing, because if I suspected for even a moment BRINK was going to be like anything they, the collective hunkey-dorey mass, suggest it will be, I would never touch it.



It's only irony if he doesn't understand what he is doing. A small irony, even then.

the game isnt even out yet so what elite players do you refer too?

SD can balance the game without patches. So, the answer to the question is no, no matter how you feel about OP's tone.

@memeotis, I think games with learning curves are the absolute best thing a game can have, and well I suppose you are right I am complaining about complainers. I just do not want what has happened in the past to happen to this game because I have extremely high hopes for this game. Also by patches I dont mean fixing things that need to be fixed. What I'm talking about is if people start crying that a map is just to hard to attack on so they change it like they did in MAG but than we come to find out the reason it was hard for them to attack on was because they were just bad themselves. and WoW is a great example I put up with the Noob friendliness for to long and quit on WOTLK release. (and yes i meant Noob in a derogatory manner that time.)

dumbed down that is it almost unplayable? lol thats a dumbed down quote if i ever seen one.

Yeah, you lost some credibility there. WotLK did not dumb down World of Warcraft, but removed clutter to highlight some of its higher complexity. Shoulda waited 'till Cataclysm to make that argument.

Brink is not these games ;].

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Dope. :facepalm:

I get it know. You played SVER didnt you?

LOL. sorry just had to laugh at this comment.
i know suk_a_face from MAG
anyway i know EXACTLY what he is talking about because we are saw it 1st hand

i have been seeing it in MANY games before MAG as well

uncharted 2 got dumbed down because ppl couldnt get kills so ND lowered the health, if anyone follows the uncharted series they would know ND admitted they made a MISTAKE in doing that in u2 and wud be sticking to standard health in u3 and wont be buffing any guns damage

MAG is a prime example of QQers getting their way. Devs WILL bow to the complaints of QQers if there is a majority complaining about it and guess what the majority of the ppl on the MAG forums who visited the discussion section were n00bs. They turned MAG from a game that required skill to a new player fest.

So u understand exactly where Suk is coming from, i too dont like when devs just bend over just because someone complains about something.

u know what all QQers have in common? they will NEVER admit that maybe.....JUST MAYBE they just svck and it has nothing to do with the game itself. Fact is n00bs dont wanna take time and get better at a game they must pickup a game and be good at it off the bat, most games these days take out any learning curve limiting the actual skilled players

@Krytt guess you never played MAG before i was "dumbed down".. and @Dromaeosaur compared to Vanilla WoW it was extremely dumbed down

Wait wait wait, are you implying that a lot of health and noticable kill times are a bad thing?

Well I guess I don't know much about MAG, so you got me there. I am not a PS3 player ;].

Actually, he's expressing concern about the game being changed post release because of complaints, which happens in this era of post release programming. If a vocal majority expresses dislike for a feature the developers often cave and change the feature, not for the sake of balance (you really think they don't know how a weapon is going to work after months of testing). Then somebody complains about something else, and then something else, and pretty soon the game is hardly comparable to what it was when it was purchased.

Generally while the feature that gets complained about could use a minor tweak in many cases, it instead gets a complete overhaul because a collection of people refuse to learn how to use it. And there have already been quite a few "I'm worried about this being OP" threads around here, as well as a great deal of misunderstanding about certain features, so there will undoubtedly be a collection of people that aren't satisfied with a particular feature and beg for it to get changed.

Nerfs are not the answer.

I was in 3C we are still undefeated won 2 tournaments and held the top 10 spots on the leaderboards until we stopped playing. and we went undefeated while vetting onto the other factions anything else to say?

How so? All I remember hearing about Vanilla was even more [censored] class balance and no Dungeon Finder.