Will the only type of dragons be Wyverns? : V - Skyrim

» Sun Apr 03, 2011 5:26 am

I hope there are underwater dragons too.

Nessie? Is that you? LOL :tongue:

» Sun Apr 03, 2011 4:26 pm

Anyone seen Dragonslayer? That just has two legs and two wings. Not a wyvern.

So there's a video of some sort with a dragon of that style that is not named as a wyvern? Okay... does that prove something? I've seen it plenty of times before. See back to my earlier post mentioning vampires. They were much different before Dracula, but then the cultural meaning changed.

» Sun Apr 03, 2011 2:52 am

The wing is a modified hand.

Dragons with four legs and two wings have a total of six limbs. I have yet to see a vertebrate non-aquatic TES creature with 6 limbs.

Dragons in TES are the physical manifestation of the et'ada (unless I'm mistaken). I think it would be silly to see the DnD rainbow palette of elemental-themed dragons.

Your not like my friend Steve who complains about that endlessly, and brings up on how it makes sense in wow since lizards actually have 6 legs in that game, are you?

» Sun Apr 03, 2011 11:55 am

Here is a good link that distinguishes between dragons and wyverns.
http://www.differencebetween.net/miscellaneous/difference-between-wyvern-and-dragon/

» Sun Apr 03, 2011 4:10 pm

So there's a video of some sort with a dragon of that style that is not named as a wyvern? Okay... does that prove something? I've seen it plenty of times before. See back to my earlier post mentioning vampires. They were much different before Dracula, but then the cultural meaning changed.

I'm not sure your point. It means a dragon can be any of numerous appearances. Isn't that what you are saying of vampires? If you look back in history not all dragons in the past had four legs. There's so many different mythologies with different dragons, only in more modern times is the dragon generally depicted with four legs. Remember there's all the western cultures and asian cultures which host hundreds of variations.

» Sun Apr 03, 2011 12:56 pm

http://www.differencebetween.net/miscellaneous/difference-between-wyvern-and-dragon/

Although the design behind the creature in the trailer resembles a dragon more in my opinion it technically could be considered either since the wings are part of "leg-like" limbs....

» Sun Apr 03, 2011 7:57 am

I'm not sure your point. It means a dragon can be any of numerous appearances. Isn't that what you are saying of vampires? If you look back in history not all dragons in the past had four legs. There's so many different mythologies with different dragons, only in more modern times is the dragon generally depicted with four legs. Remember there's all the western cultures and asian cultures which host hundreds of variations.

My point is simply that based on common cultural depictions, it would not be incorrect to call the dragon in the video a wyvern, but it doesn't really matter.

» Sun Apr 03, 2011 3:20 pm

Well
Arena
http://www.imperial-library.info/sites/default/files/gallery_files/arena_shot03.gif
Daggerfall
http://www.uesp.net/image.shtml?dagger/images/dragon.gif
http://images.uesp.net//5/54/DaggerfallDragonling.gif

For Arena, retcon (also I don't even remember that)

For Daggerfall that is Peryite in the first pic, not a real dragon
For the second pic, dragonlings aren't dragons that's just there name. I could be mistaking, but that's what I remember.

Redguard's dragon was two legged, Morrowind statues were two legged, Akatosh is two legged, so dragons in TES are two legged.

» Sun Apr 03, 2011 7:27 am

My point is simply that based on common cultural depictions, it would not be incorrect to call the dragon in the video a wyvern, but it doesn't really matter.

So let's call them dragons because Bethesda call them that

» Sun Apr 03, 2011 3:01 pm

Based on the picture that follows this forum, I'd say at least some of the dragons have barbed tails. Take a look at this for example: http://www.airbornegamer.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/02/elder-scrolls-skyrim-V-dragon-1024x576.jpg

Maybe not poisoned like I remember from D&D, but certainly appears to be barbed. So, I guess they would be wyverns.

In my opinion, Smaug was not "cunning". His pride allowed him to be easily tricked by a hobbit.

» Sun Apr 03, 2011 10:26 am

Here are some dragons that I think would be cool to see similar ones to, though some of them I'm not sure since I don't know if Bethesda wants them all to have the same number oflimbs or what.

http://www.jewcy.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/12/dragon.jpg
http://www.pythanarus.com/photos/ice_dragon.jpg
http://images.wikia.com/dragons/images/e/e8/Wyvern.jpg

Bah! I can't find any more diverse and cool ones. Maybe I'll have another look later.

» Sun Apr 03, 2011 7:48 am

Trust me, it's a Wyvern lol.

No it isn't. Skyrim dragons clearly have their wings attached to front legs, that's not a wyvern that's a four-legged dragon. As long as the dragon is a quatruped, it's a dragon no matter where the wings are located. A wyvern is a biped or legless (snake body).

Besides, Bethesda has said that they're dragons, so there's really no discussion. They are dragon, both by heraldic standards but most importantly by TES standards (which is all that matters).

» Sun Apr 03, 2011 12:48 pm

so just so i'm clear....we're arguing whether the 'dragons' in skyrim are true dragons or wyverns right? correct me if i'm wrong but aren't they both fictional creatures? and since that's true, they could called them winged toads for all i care. LOL

» Sun Apr 03, 2011 6:11 am

No it isn't. Skyrim dragons clearly have their wings attached to front legs, that's not a wyvern that's a four-legged dragon. As long as the dragon is a quatruped, it's a dragon no matter where the wings are located. A wyvern is a biped or legless (snake body).

Besides, Bethesda has said that they're dragons, so there's really no discussion. They are dragon, both by heraldic standards but most importantly by TES standards (which is all that matters).

Totally agree.

» Sun Apr 03, 2011 10:19 am

I would really love to see a giant beast of a black dragon rise up out of the water and spread its massive wings and let out a huge roar and have water dripping from it wings and then take a moment, while you stand there in awe, to shake the water off of itself and then attack you. Water needs to have a lot more wildlife in it, in general. Bears should be trying to catch fish in the shallower parts, etc.

» Sun Apr 03, 2011 5:59 am

So.. was I technically right? Cause I like being right, makes me feel good about myself.

» Sun Apr 03, 2011 3:33 pm

No it isn't. Skyrim dragons clearly have their wings attached to front legs, that's not a wyvern that's a four-legged dragon. As long as the dragon is a quatruped, it's a dragon no matter where the wings are located. A wyvern is a biped or legless (snake body).

Besides, Bethesda has said that they're dragons, so there's really no discussion. They are dragon, both by heraldic standards but most importantly by TES standards (which is all that matters).

Wings are limbs.Surely you get that.

Er, don't even bother. I'm tired of this argument.

» Sun Apr 03, 2011 7:44 pm

I just want the dragons to work right. They said they put so much time in to designing the dragons, how they move, fly, fall, crash, and fight, that i don't thin we can expect TOO much variety in the Dragons, but i do believe there was something said about there being some variation between them.

Personally, I'm hoping for a serpent sea dragon, but I'm not gonna hold my breath.
EDIT: No pun intended^

» Sun Apr 03, 2011 7:37 am

For Arena, retcon (also I don't even remember that)

For Daggerfall that is Peryite in the first pic, not a real dragon
For the second pic, dragonlings aren't dragons that's just there name. I could be mistaking, but that's what I remember.

Redguard's dragon was two legged, Morrowind statues were two legged, Akatosh is two legged, so dragons in TES are two legged.

Well always want an dragonling familiar thats horrible such nice creature killed because of powerful soul.

» Sun Apr 03, 2011 9:55 am

I want dragons like this:
http://bp0.blogger.com/_4Cwvvts0d_k/RxRpZyPvvxI/AAAAAAAAAQg/X3ges7G4U4U/s1600-h/seamas33.jpg
:biggrin:

» Sun Apr 03, 2011 3:42 pm

If you look at around 55 seconds into the gameplay trailer you see the dragon has upper legs.

» Sun Apr 03, 2011 5:42 am

You made me look, but no, those are his front limbs which are also his wings.

sorry, or "her"

» Sun Apr 03, 2011 6:58 pm

You made me look, but no, those are his front limbs which are also his wings.

sorry, or "her"

Oh, I see the flaps on the arms now. Oops.

» Sun Apr 03, 2011 7:34 pm

I certainly hope for different kinds of Dragons.

Wyverns being the lowest caste, with Great Wyrms being what you could expect Alduin to be. I personally doubt it though. We'll probably be stuck with Reskinned or enlarged Wyverns as the entirety of dragonkind.

Just for easy Clarity, a Wyvern is a Bipedal dragon, with locomotion not unlike that of an Emu. a Wyrm, what most people consider "True" dragons, are Four-legged locomotive, winged behemoths, like what's seen in Dragon Age in the Flemeth fight.

» Sun Apr 03, 2011 1:15 pm

I've heard of different types of dragons in Skyrim but I'm not sure that's true