Yeah its clear I can see it BGS clearly made MZ as lore bible. No way around it. Look at this trailer: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4iwFhq57o-M it confirms it. So serious unbelievable.

And the lore has to expand for the game to expand. What is your point? That Bethesda steps forward instead of remaining on the same spot. I suspect Fallout 4 will reveal more and more things which will be expanding the lore, what will you do? Scream bloody murder? But yeah, today everyone's a critic. Well you know what? Nobody cares in the end.

And whatever, if Aliens being in every game is not an argument it's a fact. You refuse to acknowledge it, I don't really care, but that is the reality.

Are you kidding me? You provided some scores and the Fallout 3 intro (the game where they expanded on the alien subject) other than that you just keep repeating your opinion as if it's meant to mean something to me. They became something more than just a random encounter. We aren't talking about your hurt feelings here, we are talking about what happened. Whatever they were meant to be (which is unclear since BI never got to finish the third Fallout game) does not mean crap when we know what they are now - PART OF THE FALLOUT UNIVERSE. So no need to repeat yourself cause no matter how many times you say it, the Aliens will not be vanishing from the Fallout franchise, so leave aside what might have been and focus on what is.

The game is about many things, including human nature, sadly for you, a small part of the game is also about aliens. But keep repeating that stuff over and over, maybe the aliens will vanish? Whatever... As for why I insist on them, does it matter past the fact that I enjoyed MZ and the previous encounters plus the ones that followed or that will follow? It does not, mainly because I don't give a crap about what some critics said in regard to MZ, I enjoyed it. When I decide to let others do my thinking for me about what I like or don't like, I'll be sure to let them pick whatever they choose for me, until then, the fact is I enjoyed MZ and would love to see something similar in the future. Until then I'll let you ponder why aliens got a more vivid role in the game.

I personally enjoyed the minimal snippets of Alien Lore in the vanilla but felt that MZ went WAY overboard. I've played it once and have since removed it from my load order for good. I really don't have an issue running into some Aliens, but being "abducted" and on board a flying saucer is a bit cliche' even for Fallout....

Expanding =/= breaking previous lore. It's good to see you're unable to discuss the matter without flinging around personal insults.

No one said they weren't in previous games, but they were in previous games as non-canon, unimportant entities. THAT is a fact which YOU refuse to acknowledge.

Yes, I provided stuff from all previous games. Including a game created by Bethesda. I'm sorry if you're unable to come to terms with that fact, but that's a personal problem. Refusing to accept the fact that they've always been non-canon and that the series, regardless of developer, is about humanity isn't going to change that.

Actually, you said the majority of fans liked it, which as evidenced by their poor score, a very great number of both fans and critics did not.

Sadly it would appear it's impossible to discuss the matter with you, as you're incapable of doing so without insults and refusing to accept anything presented. I've seen you discount everyone's posts as purely opinionated as well as hurling insults, yet you claim your posts as factual. I'm curious how many of the games you have played and what you actually know about the lore? You've made it clear you haven't even completed Fallout 3, so I'm unsure how you're such an expert on the material to claim you know things for a fact.

I really don't see where I insulted you.

Well at least you acknowledged that they are in game. That means we are past that "do not belong" argument you kept repeating over and over again? Good.

Then you contradict yourself. If aliens are part of the game how can the game be just about humans? No, you are deliberately missing the point of non-human elements in Fallout and the sad thing is that is your whole argument and it's very weak cause in the end, it's only backed up by your opinion.

And again you feel insulted over something. But whatever, if that's how you want to end the conversation, that is fine too. It's pointless anyway. Fallout 4 gets aliens, remains to be seen at what degree.

My skin is like a blanket I wish I can take off sometimes..... also alien tripods please and a sound effect that goes aaawoooweeeewoooo
Theres a machine that makes that noise when you put your hands over it and changes pitch when you move it up and down.

Please post actual opinions about this topic. Thank you