I think not showing Kills and Deaths in the post game is a deal breaker for me.

You don't HAVE to put them first or make them seem important, but there should be a spot for them. Even if it isn't the main point of the game many people prefer to use k/d as a way to track their progress in the game. I know it's not a "lone wolf" game but unless you have a 'clan' of sorts it can be hard otherwise to keep track of how well your skills at the game are improving. People with specific groups can more reliably get objectives regardless of their individual skill against a group made up of people who are unfamiliar with each other. Thus people who don't have a clan would be hard pressed to track their personal skill by objective gains.

Anyway, not everyone likes to be the one going right at the objective or throwing out support. Some people like clearing areas or keeping enemies off the back of objective minded individuals. How will people with this form of play style track their progress? Or is SD just going to lock an entire segment of the FPS community out of their game for fear of 'hurting people's feelings'?

This is the first time I've come on this board and this is my largest concern. I am highly intrigued by an ultra-mobile (thus highly tactical) class based FPS but my play style varies on my mood. If I cannot tell how well I am doing in a match for my certain play style then it really makes me not want to get the game at all. Other games have post-game stats that show kills, deaths, and objectives. Why should Brink be different and dissuade a huge portion of the market from purchasing the game?

Note: This is all a hypothetical. I have no clue whether or not kills and deaths are recorded. I just know in an interview they say they don't show k/d

People would still be able to see their own though, and that's all it takes to make people want to inflate their stats by any means necessary. Best to keep it out of sight and out of mind completely.

I think not showing Kills and Deaths in the post game is a deal breaker for me.

You don't HAVE to put them first or make them seem important, but there should be a spot for them. Even if it isn't the main point of the game many people prefer to use k/d as a way to track their progress in the game. I know it's not a "lone wolf" game but unless you have a 'clan' of sorts it can be hard otherwise to keep track of how well your skills at the game are improving. People with specific groups can more reliably get objectives regardless of their individual skill against a group made up of people who are unfamiliar with each other. Thus people who don't have a clan would be hard pressed to track their personal skill by objective gains.

Anyway, not everyone likes to be the one going right at the objective or throwing out support. Some people like clearing areas or keeping enemies off the back of objective minded individuals. How will people with this form of play style track their progress? Or is SD just going to lock an entire segment of the FPS community out of their game for fear of 'hurting people's feelings'?

This is the first time I've come on this board and this is my largest concern. I am highly intrigued by an ultra-mobile (thus highly tactical) class based FPS but my play style varies on my mood. If I cannot tell how well I am doing in a match for my certain play style then it really makes me not want to get the game at all. Other games have post-game stats that show kills, deaths, and objectives. Why should Brink be different and dissuade a huge portion of the market from purchasing the game?

Note: This is all a hypothetical. I have no clue whether or not kills and deaths are recorded. I just know in an interview they say they don't show k/d

I'm fairly sure they will have them right after the game just no permanent leaderboards.
Im glad they dont track stats though.

And since everyone is giving out turtles, I've never gotten one....

Even though MAG was a team-based, tactical shooter that didn't display KDR, it got to the point where on the forums if you didn't have a 2.0 KDR you were disregarded as a new player as though your opinion meant nothing by some. It's best to keep that element at bay.

This is why KDR shouldn't be part of BRINK. Eventually people will start boosting/cheating/hacking/glitching just so they can feel better about themselves. I was constantly finishing matches at the top of the leaderboards in CoD, but guess what? My K/D ratio was only 1.8 - that's not a very good ratio. You don't need a stupid stat like K/D to track how well you are "progressing" in a game. All you have to do is look at how fast you die, which situations give you the most trouble, and how much help you are giving to your team. Those are all things you will be able to notice constantly and consistently from within the battlefield itself.

This is why KDR shouldn't be part of BRINK. Eventually people will start boosting/cheating/hacking/glitching just so they can feel better about themselves. I was constantly finishing matches at the top of the leaderboards in CoD, but guess what? My K/D ratio was only 1.8 - that's not a very good ratio. You don't need a stupid stat like K/D to track how well you are "progressing" in a game. All you have to do is look at how fast you die, which situations give you the most trouble, and how much help you are giving to your team. Those are all things you will be able to notice constantly and consistently from within the battlefield itself.

I keep tabs on my Acc, KDR, and W/L record (among others), but only as a judgement of how I'm doing. If my KDR drops low I step up my game, I don't sit in a corner and camp with hopes of improving it.

I play the way I play and those stats are a guide, but I have no interest in metaphorically whipping it out for a measuring contest because they mean very little outside of judging your own performance. It's a matter of "My acc is low, I should work on my acc. My KDR is low, am I being too careless? My W/L is low, what could I have done to win that last game?" not "Oh no, my stats are low, let me do somehting stupid to get them back up."

If I'm playing with my friends, one only cares about his stats in comparrison to mine for personal interest and the other is the guy who goes 2 and 6 more often than not, their stats become important to me because if my friend is going 0 and 6 that means I'm not doing enough to keep him alive.

So on one side I totally get not having leaderboards, but at the same time I see legitimate reasons to have stats tracked in game/post game.

So you aren't going to buy the game simply because of that?

I'm glad they aren't tbh, I mean MAG didn't show it in-game but you could just look it up on the fan-made leaderboards. I was pretty damn good at that game, managing to sustain a 2.5 weekly/monthly KDR (which was no easy feat on my connection). Give me any other game and I struggle to push 1.5... hell, I often go negative. It's frustrating. It's disheartening. I'd rather just pretend it doesn't exist and get on with the game.

Even though MAG was a team-based, tactical shooter that didn't display KDR, it got to the point where on the forums if you didn't have a 2.0 KDR you were disregarded as a new player as though your opinion meant nothing by some. It's best to keep that element at bay.

Bad Company 2 has K/D as well as other stats and it doesn't really affect the team-based aspect of the game. I never really see anybody going around getting kills for the sake of getting kills.

You guys really need to get over yourselves. Just because it's in CoD, doesn't mean Brink is going to turn into CoD for having it.

Well if you're a sniper in BC2 it's pretty much guaranteed that you have a low K/D ratio unless you're really, really good so I doubt they're doing it for that.

But one of the most common complaints about Bad Company 2 is the extreme overabundance of "wookies" who completely ignore objectives and camp-snipe all match long. If that's not kill-prostitution I don't know what is.

EDIT: Got ninja'd.

You know, I could really care less about K/D ratio. What I object to is SD getting rid of ALL stat tracking.

Sometimes I just want to how many bullets I've shot or how many miles I've run or how much time I've spent crouched. Useless stuff like that that's mostly just for fun.

You can't really say that'll make people competitive. Is anybody going to look at how man in-game miles they've run and say "I've only ran 8 miles? GOTTA GO RUN SOME MORE! NO TIME FOR OBJECTIVES! NEED MORE MILES!"

"You think you're hot stuff, huh? I've crouched for 10 hours! How 'bout them apples!"