The enemies are also carbon copies or oblivion except for the dragon. Which were some of the worst dragons I've ever fought in a game. Sure every dragon fight is slightly different but they still all have the exact same set of predictable moves.

I will say the music is my fav this year well either this or deus ex.

I think this combat system is very derivative of oblivian. Daul wielding doesn't change the actual combat mechanics, bow ad arrows are the same, the actual magic usage is the same. All additions that were made to other systems like the skill tree were just derived from other games. These are superficial changes for te sake of change, it's completely derivative. It does make the game more fun but I just can't get over not changing the game
enough to stand on it's own. Skyrim and oblivion are exactly alike in the same way modern warfare 2 and 3 are alike. Exactly the same systems with a coat of newness. Skyrim is a hodge podge of fallout and oblivion. 5 year development times need to be justified with a different experience entirely. There are so many aspects that could of been changed like the horrible menu system, balloon like combat, and fast travel mechanic.

Fast travel is one of the biggest cop outs in open world games. It's giving you and open world game then saying it's not interesting enough to warrant it's open worldness.

Some people complain the game is too easy, while other complain it’s too hard.
Some people complain money is too easy to come by, while others complain the quests don’t reward you with good loot.
Some people complain about graphics, while other complain about performance.


I think the game is great!

I think this combat system is very derivative of oblivian. Daul wielding doesn't change the actual combat mechanics, bow ad arrows are the same, the actual magic usage is the same. All additions that were made to other systems like the skill tree were just derived from other games. These are superficial changes for te sake of change, it's completely derivative. It does make the game more fun but I just can't get over not changing the game
enough to stand on it's own. Skyrim and oblivion are exactly alike in the same way modern warfare 2 and 3 are alike. Exactly the same systems with a coat of newness. Skyrim is a hodge podge of fallout and oblivion. 5 year development times need to be justified with a different experience entirely. There are so many aspects that could of been changed like the horrible menu system, balloon like combat, and fast travel mechanic.

Fast travel is one of the biggest cop outs in open world games. It's giving you and open world game then saying it's not interesting enough to warrant it's open worldness.

15 dolla DLC svcky svcky.

At this point, any lack of innovation becomes user error (i.e. perhaps it is only you, the player, who is unwilling or not innovative enough to play the game in new and exciting ways that other players may already be doing right now).

Sorry, but I don't understand this approach, which many seem to have. "If you're not liking the game, come up with a new way to play it." What? Isn't a game company supposed to create, I don't know, an innovative GAME for us to play?

This isn't a flame. I just have a hard time wrapping my head around the idea that if we're not liking a game then our thinking is somehow faulty, that we're unwilling or not innovative enough to play the game.

I could run around and collect flowers and kill wildlife and chop wood and mine for minerals, but that's not a game. It's something to do, but it's not a "game." They're just distractions. Why would this game need distractions? Well, just look around the forums. :wink_smile:

It seem like the only chance skyrim takes is how bad it can tax your hardware.

Will there be a patch to fixthe boring topics? Sorry but seeing 400 ofthese threads in an hour, EVERY hour just doesn't make for constructive criticism. THAT'S just whining

And don't give me the excuse of "if we aren't heard then how can they change it?", because complaining here is just as effective as complaining to your family that the world isa weird place. You need to complain to the people who are responsible for making the changes you want

but thats the whole point of innovation is to challenge these set in stone gaming archetypes. Alot of series staples will constantly change and take risks. There is no courage in not trying cuz ur afraid of failing. As a game I like skyrim tons better than let's say ff13 but I have an order of magnitude greater respect for ff13 trying something that is completely different and made the series fall on it's face.

What does innovation matter when it svcks? Why have respect for a game that does something "different" but blows. I know I don't, and I bet most of Beth probably doesn't either. When they think of something good and innovative, I'll be here, but I'd rather a game full of standardness that's fun than some jumbled mess.

This game is great and all and 40 hours in has been a mix of good and bad exciting and boring but one thing I can't shake is that the whole game feels really derative of every other Bethesda game ive played with influences from some non Bethesda games

Let's look at final fantasy which hasn't been so great in their recent installments but at least they actually change up the systems and take chances. It seem like the only chance skyrim takes is how bad it can tax your hardware.