This game is great and all and 40 hours in has been a mix of good and bad exciting and boring but one thing I can't shake is that the whole game feels really derative of every other Bethesda game ive played with influences from some non Bethesda games

Let's look at final fantasy which hasn't been so great in their recent installments but at least they actually change up the systems and take chances. It seem like the only chance skyrim takes is how bad it can tax your hardware.

i have to say, while playing skyrim(which is a great game), it did just feel like a prettier version of oblivion... but without the "magicieness" i felt while playing oblivion.. i like to make new words =p

Even mass effect changes their system greatly from one to two. Not just by adding but by fundemental changes in the gameplay.

What you're seeing here is the "Nintendo Method". Change some things here and there to keep things just fresh enough but keep the game basically the same. Some think it's a great thing, some don't.

Pretty sure the change from Morrowind's one ability at a time to Oblivion's sword + spell to Skyrim's left + right are fundamental changes.

Remember, the world is in a depression at the moment.

That means less people are buying entertainment than were before.

It makes sense that Bethesda would hedge its bets with something extremely derivative.

heheh what makes you think they'll "patch" anything in that regard when the games haven't strayed from that design

You have got to be kidding.

Some people complain the game is too easy, while other complain it’s too hard.
Some people complain money is too easy to come by, while others complain the quests don’t reward you with good loot.
Some people complain about graphics, while other complain about performance.


I think the game is great!

What sort of innovation would you propose? What they (Bethesda) are presenting here is essentially an open world where you can go where ever and do whatever you want to. At this point, any lack of innovation becomes user error (i.e. perhaps it is only you, the player, who is unwilling or not innovative enough to play the game in new and exciting ways that other players may already be doing right now).

In this scenario, the only form of innovation is merely to further enable the player to do whatever they want in more immersive environments. I feel like they've succeeded on that level in every way.

If you can think of some further innovation that would make the game better (aside from the obvious fixing bugs), then by all means please expound on your ideas.

Isn't it all the same? Guilds, main story, and side quests. Convos, shops. Horse riding. Even the dragon feel like a cop out. Most of it comes off as graphical enhancements with improved animations. Combat still weak and fluttery imprecise, fighting with gallons I think is the right comparison. Why change the way guilds work and instead of have them as glorified side missions go ahead and change how it effects the world ur in.

the first 2 complaints you mention flip to the opposite as you progress

what was once hard, becomes so easy
no money to too much money

Great point. Selling to the masses is smart business. Meh :unsure2: :confused:

That is one of the few things that i want Bethesda to keep doing,actually.
Apart from all the problems;very few to no games offer this kind of huge openworld,this formula that they have been following is what keeps them special.
Also,of course it would feel like any other Bethesda game, because it's MADE BY BETHESDA,duh.Did you buy bethesda game expecting it to be an FPS game,or a turn based game?

This.

Yeah te whole patch thing was sarcasm playing off the whole patch fiasco going on right now.

I understand if it ain't broke don't fix it but it's kinda already broke and needs a new direction. It's not as big of leap as a 5 year development would imply. I would say it's kor on the scale of your yearly fps changes. Even the shouts are just glorified magic spells.

So? The genre has a limited toolbox. It's swords and magic. They're not going to implement assault rifles just to be different.

Then again, guns are just glorified bows.

This directionless complaining thread is great and all and 40 hours in has been a mix of good and bad exciting and boring but one thing I can't shake is that the whole directionless complaining thread feels really derative of every other directionless complaining thread I've read with influences from some non directionless complaining threads.

yo cool bro /\ wow are you impressed with your self, complaining about complaining, you either svck corporate balls or are very bord bud, either way the forums are for discussion, negative or possitive, its not your say.

i think ull find its not real(but thus is not a political forum) and anyway we are talking about a multi million dollar enterainment product, not sizes of eggs. bethesda need to learn how to really capatalise on there games, personaly i think they hired tomany new staff to quick and didnt plan or control those imploies enough.

but thats the whole point of innovation is to challenge these set in stone gaming archetypes. Alot of series staples will constantly change and take risks. There is no courage in not trying cuz ur afraid of failing. As a game I like skyrim tons better than let's say ff13 but I have an order of magnitude greater respect for ff13 trying something that is completely different and made the series fall on it's face.

So let me get this straight, you wanted to buy an elder scrolls game, but you didn't want it to be like an elder scrolls game?

Will there be a patch to fix your lack of grammar?

If it ain't broke don't fix it.

They could definitely add some new weapons.. crossbows, spears, warhammers that look like hammers and not staves, thrown weapons... there is tons of room for addition just in the weapon department alone... look at the amount of weapons in D&D, most of which are based on real life weapons...

Or, maybe we could smith different styles of each armor? Why can I make 3 different styles of iron and steel armors, but only 1 style of dwarven, orcish, ebony, daedric and dragon?

I don't want my character to look like every other character in armor made of the same materials, unfortunately, there is no choice.

This is not so. The entertainemt industry and electronic industry is at their highest sales right now. Movies, games, accesories etc. are all having a greater income than before, and is continue to grow.

One of the main reasons behind this is the so called "streamlining" of not only games, but other things too.