Well see, it's not just human but every species inherent nature to try and find the most efficient way to do things. If you can literally just shout a stone wall to dust, why bother making explosives?

Obviously, because not everyone can do that. So that would explain satchel charges pretty neatly, so that's feasible I would say. However, crossbows and bows, plus magic, plus Thu'um/Dragonshouts, means that there is no cultural motivation to make guns. Why make cannons that cost hundreds of thousands of gold and man-hours to craft and learn to use when your next-door neighbor is a mage who could just as easily wag his fingers and toss an exploding fireball during a siege? Battlemages mean there will never be guns, because there is no need for cannons.

EDIT: See, that's why Fable can have guns and be good, only a select few can use magic and the like. It's not so in TES, magic is available to everyone.

I'm sorry, did you say Fable 2/3 were good..? :verymad:

Plus if you were to launch a fireball at someone holding a bag of gunpowder and a flintlock rifle..... ta ta matey

Please no.

Like I said, I don't want guns. But since I think some form of explosive would be cool, I have to defend myself. If gunpowder is added, whatever the composition of it is in Nirn, make it binary. There, no worries about you exploding from a fireball.

I would like to see some kind of Dwemer Satchel Charge return. Heck, as far as we know they could have been large magnitude Fire Damage Scrolls wrapped around bricks. I know the Dwemer were more tech based but it could still be some kind of simple magic mechanism.

Whenever a race in Tamriel makes considerable technological advances,they disapear *Points at Dwemer*

Yes. Well, 3 was good. However, if someone were to try and pull off Fable 3 in Tamriel, it wouldn't be, because that's not the kind of setting that story works in.

And don't glare at people for having different opinions. It makes you seem like a creepy hive-mind collectivist.

Please don't derail this thread. Thanks.


On Topic: It seems with the constant trouble, civilisation has hardly had a moment to breathe. Resulting in a total lack of any advancement in technologly.

A great empire just fell the people who more than likely had the highest technology. Look at what happened after Rome fell? Technology took a dive and people reverted to a more primitive way of life and the Dark ages occurred. So yes, if anything they should have less advanced weaponry. As well as other technologies.

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And replying to everyone not having the ability to destroy walls and such with magic just use a catapult or something. They probably have those. Although I really don't know.

Didn't Todd say something in the GI article about Skyrim being more primitive? I don't have the article myself so I can't say for certain. Any help?

I hope not, I don't want to see steampunk guns, that ruined Fable 2 and Fable 3!

BAHAHAHAHAHAH completely agree.

I would love to see a bit of advancement in everything. Changes in clothestyles, small technological advances (No, this does not, in fact, mean guns). They're a different culture from the one in Oblivion and Morrowind, so hopefully the design of clothing, buildings and weapons will look a bit different from earlier games. I'm imagining more focus on keeping yourself warm, as it is a warmer climate. Theres a reason Greeks and Romans are portrayed as wearing less clothes than us northerners. We might not live on a glacier, but it is colder here.

Now, the OP did mention guns, but I'm a tad annoyed by people assuming that advancement automatically means modern day technology! It does not! As said, magic being available to anyone and not having to be reloaded in the same way as any sort of firearm pretty much removes the need for it. Sure, a fighter doesn't always use magic, but if you take my most used character in Oblivion, he's a swordsman with a little help from ranged firespells when he needs to shoot from far away.

Anyway, we've had plenty of societies on various continents (All of them?), that had advancements in technology without modern technology being the end result. Yes, Tamriel is different from earth, but I don't see it as so different that a little progress can't happend and for there to be any technology at all you do need progress or they'd all still be roaming around like any other creature in the game that isn't seen as intelligent.

A tad off topic because I thought of this after reading earlier posts: Is there any lore stating anything about evolution? I know Bretons, Imperials and Nords all come from a common race, but I'm not sure if that would count

In 125,000 years of human history we've only had guns since what? 700ish A.D? People need to stop rushing things geesh.

As has already been said, technological advancement just doesn't work in a fantasy universe like it does in our world. Think of the lore of any fantasy setting like in warcraft, elder scrolls, lord of the rings, etc. Notice how much time has passed yet the level of technology is still the same. In a fantasy setting, sometimes the most powerful weapons are the oldest. Instead of going forward you need to go backward to uncover what has been lost. Think of Daedric artifacts. I'm no lore expert but I assume they are very old, powerful, and highly sought after. In Skyrim I won't be surprised if Dovakiin must discover some ancient weapon or source of magic to aid in defeating the dragon people. I don't know, it just seems like a popular theme to me.

why would they invent guns when they can hurl fireballs using magic?

agreed that Skyrim wouldn't be a hot bed of technological progress. Perhaps a easter egg/side quest where you help a mad alchemist invent gunpowder but he accidentally blows himself up at the end of it.

I've seen that thread before. And I don't think I remember you being the one to write it.

Why don't people ever get it... :shakehead:

NO GUNS!!!

bethesda has already confirmed ranged combat is gonna revolve around the bow, again.

god, people and guns... i have a few suggestions for those people to do with guns! :banghead:

two or more people can have the same idea surprisingly enough .

Because people see something beautiful and wondrous and want to drag it into the mud with them? fantasy is not real or realistic, and that's the point most of the time. It's more wonderful and more terrifying, it's more magical and more believable than reality can ever hope to be, where people can be more heroic or more villainous than a real person could easily sustain under normal circumstances. Some people see that and rather than go to the creators of it and say 'thank you" they go and say "It needs more dirt and grime. It needs to be a clone of reality with monsters and spells. The characters need to be less likeable or more likeable because it's not enough like real life."

Not usually that specific.

As pretty much everyone has stated, no guns, not necessary. It works in Fable because only hero's can use magic. By the time of Fable II hero's are almost just a myth until you come along and blah blah blah. ALSO. Nirn does not = earth. Tamriel does not abide by our ways and developments. And it shouldn't. If I want "real" I'll play Grand theft auto.

No, no, no, and again, no! This is TES! Why make a gun when you can learn to shoot fireballs and lightning bolts? Its also not earth, its Nirn, who says that guns and stuff even happens in their history?