in *the game who will not be named* weren't you supposed to rescue Old Toasty from hanging, then he follows you as a companion? Maybe the reason he's not in the achievements is exactly that, he's helping you complete your goals (or not) as opposed to being a goal in himself.

I hope that if we do get to kill him then we don't get to use "our weapons" to kill him, more like using something in the area to "kill him".
And when he "dies" he later show up in the ending slider that shows that he's survived yet again and that his legend continues to live on.

No, I don't think he should be killable.
We should be able to defeat him and for our characters to believe he's dead but he should not be killable.
His legend should continue on no matter how much anyone hates him.

Cause I think it'll downplay his legend if we're able to run up to him and shoot him in the face and then he's dead.
Like, he's survived so much only for us to be able to kill him thanks to our demi-god bias.
Basically; he's not suppose to die.

For Willis' sake he's been reported as shot by 1st Recon several times, lit on fire and thrown into the grand canyon.
Like hell we're suppose to be able to kill him.
If no one else could, then neither should we.

Like I said, we should be able to defeat him.
Here's a quick pitch as to how I thought of it: He's up on a platform throwing things at us, Donkey Kong style, then we have to use some terminals in the immediate area to make a crane knock him off the platform off a canyon cliff and have him land in the green forest below.
When we get down there, he's gone for the rest of the DLC and doesn't show up until the ending slider.

But we should not be able to kill him.

Perhaps Joshua Graham, after being betrayed so badly by his old friend. Decides to change his name? Maybe to, i don't know, daniel? Or something..

(Still gonna pop his head though)

Betrayed? Nah, he effed up and payed the price.

If I kill him and then proceed to start hacking up the body (like I plan to) he's not coming back. i don't care HOW hard he is.

That's the point.
Why are we suppose to be able to kill him when no one else has?
We're basically a former mailman.
A mailman killing the Joshua Graham?
Makes no sense.
So what I'm saying is that he should be able to be defeated but we should not be able to use our own weapons against him.

That's the point.
Why are we suppose to be able to kill him when no one else has?
We're basically a former mailman.
A mailman killing the Joshua Graham?
Makes no sense.
So what I'm saying is that he should be able to be defeated but we should not be able to use our own weapons against him.

Because we are the hero?
We're the 'player' lol.. FO is our story... At camp mcarran they go on about one of the fiends, (can't remember which one) they talk about how they thought they killed him several times.
I still brought them his funky looking head though.

Irrelevant, just because New Vegas is the Courier's story doesn't mean he or she will be able to kill Graham.

(If he turns out to be a human version of liberty prime that can survive absolutely ANYTHING I can do

Its not irrelevant at all. If Caesar had done a more thorough job, Graham would be already dead. He's a hardy fella, for sure. He's not invincible though, I intend to prove it when I get the chance. :goodjob:

We'll have to wait and see, but I find it unlikely that Obsidian will let you kill Graham, and even if they do there will probably be an ending slide implying that he's still alive. Part of Graham's character is the mystique surrounding his ability to repeatedly survive things that would kill most men and women, and if they just let you go and kill him for real with a pea shooter then that mystique is gone.

Legion: Get the job done right this time, and scare the NCR
Yes Man: Prove yourself to all other factions

We'll have to wait and see, but I find it unlikely that Obsidian will let you kill Graham, and even if they do there will probably be an ending slide implying that he's still alive. Part of Graham's character is the mystique surrounding his ability to repeatedly survive things that would kill most men and women, and if they just let you go and kill him for real with a pea shooter then that mystique is gone.