Yeah, sure, but that doesn't lead me to boycott my favorite franchise. EA's [censored] didn't stop me from getting Mass Effect, and I'm not even a huge bioware fan.

I don't think anything would stop me from getting a TES game. Bethesda, I am your little [censored].

I'll do with what I did with FO3, and not buy the expansions

I despise Games for Windows LIVE with a passion, but I would still buy TESV for the PC if it had it.

But, I hope it doesn't have it...

For Oblivion and Morrowind I did the opposite; although I have purchased more than one copy for each game [backup discs; I have cats that get into things..think Deathclaw type talons] I bought them both again on Steam. A backup copy of the backup copy...that my cats can't get their claws on.

I have no problem with games on Steam [that don't have the securom/other intrusive drm] because I can play off-line. Unlike the dlc for FO3.

I keep reading and I still don't understand the problem. As I said before, I bought the disc version of FO3 GOTY, installed it and the unofficial patch and I can play without using the disc.

What part of that am I supposed to hate?


...I have the feeling that hate for the way FO3 uses GFWL is like the hate for Fast Travel. I can't play Oblivion or Morrowind without the disc. [legally] It would be nice if I could save the discs some wear n' tear. I hope that TES:V is exactly like FO3: GOTY in this aspect.

It is extra resource overhead that adds and extra layer of possible technical problems. It is redundant as a distribution system since FTP has been around for over 30 years. You cannot pay the purchase price in real money, instead have to spend points never purchasable in amounts that match point costs so you always have to overbuy into the fake money.

id honestly prefer it had gfwl. i really dont see the problem with it. i like getting the gfwl achievements. as far as the gfwl drm goes i dont know anything about it really. i assume fo3 has it and i have no problems with it. if your not pirating games i don't see why you have any reason to hate it.

Because draconian DRM is technically classified as spyware, it can potentially [censored] up your computer permanently, and removing it is comparable to, as one wise individual once said, "giving your computer an icepick lobotomy." Once you've got DRM on your system, unless you really want to be tampering around with null registry keys, it's there for good.

As for GFWL, having to go through MS's point gimmicks for purchasing DLC is ridiculous, as is the completely pointless cost overhead that GFWL presents.

It isn't a question of playing without the disc. Its a question of having to be online to play your dlc and not having access to saves from your off-line play. I bought the disc. I don't play with it in the drive. That isn't a problem. Being forced to be online to play dlc for my off-line single player game when I don't care about trophies, medals, achievements, or whatever it is that is supposed to be so spectacular is a problem, for me. I would have no problem with TES 5 being exactly like Fallout 3 in that respect. As long as they bring out any expansions/dlc on discs as well. I don't want to be forced into using gfwl and being online to play dlc or expansions. Yes, you can move files, but that isn't "supported" and can possibly cause problems

GFWL isn't the only system I don't want to use; EAdownloader is another.

I don't pirate games. If I lose a disc, and I like the game, I'll buy it again. So far, I have two physical copies of Morrowind+expansions and two copies of Oblivion [two copies of the dlc], and another copy of both of them bought on Steam. I have three copies of NWN + expansions, and two copies of the premium modules. Two copies of the BG series...Diablo, well, you get the idea. Even on Steam you don't have to be connected to the internet to play.

I would buy it only if there was no other way to get it on PC.

GWFL is a cumbersome piece of crap, and for situations that do require DRM, I find systems such as Steam and even SecuROM far superior. However, TES V is still TES V, and I still can't stand consoles. I'll just live with it. :shrug:

Last time I checked. Fallout 3 was a game for windows live.
So yeah, I wouldn't have any problem with TES V

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...hmmm, so Microsoft is telling us that we need to be online to use a single-player offline game, with a program that could potentially upload viruses, spyware, malware, cookies and who knows what else, see why i don't like Microsoft, they are practically screaming out loud that they are trying to hack you.

I don't like GFWL.

If TES V is like FO3 GOTY, where you don't really need to start GFWL and log in to play or buy DLC, I will buy it. Otherwise, it's a definitive NO. :brokencomputer:

well the two difference between Games for windows live and my xbox live, my xbox live actually works. The reason I stopped playing fallout was because GfWL didn't work and let me tell you this really pissed me off. I would buy the next elder scrolls game for pc knowing that expansions were sold on a disk. Also gotta be careful if you get a virus and you use a credit card number on your computer you can really screw things up.

ive been using gfwl for awhile and i guess i can understand some peoples complaints like having to be online to play dlc and the microsoft point thing screwing people.

all of those can easily be fixed tho. its easy to move save files so you can play them offline and i know you can move the dlc files too. and if you go to microsofts zune site you can actually buy ms points in increments of 400 and then use them in gfwl.
any problems with gfwl other than the ones above, all of wich can easily be remedied, i havnt experienced

It's the principle of the thing. You shouldn't be forced to purchase an intermediary point system instead of cash, especially where you are likely to end up with some form of remainder (with no means of refund). It doesn't matter how small of a denomination of points you can or can't buy. It's annoying that I can't just use real currency and have to go through a 3rd party to acquire something. Why should I go through such a poorly-designed system when I can 1) purchase content from a GFWL-free Bethesda-hosted site, or 2) purchase that content on a disc? The problem, of course, is that the Microsoft marketplace is slowly replacing both of those options. You know how long it took Bethesda to put out FO3 DLC on actual discs?

GfWl would alienate the Linux gamers

As well as people outside the paltry 26 countries the horrid "service" is available in.

I hate Game for Windows Live (GFWL). I've only had minimal dealing with it. Once when I wanted to download Broken Steel for Fallout 3, and once for Batman Arkham Asylum. But that was enough to let me know that GFWL is a horrible abomination. One of the worst and evasive and poorly designed pieces of "software" ever to be forced upon us.

Much as I hate to admit it, if TES V used GFWL I'd probably end up buying it, as long as I don't need an Internet connection to run once it is set up. My gaming computer purposely does not have a permanent internet connection. Since I hate to admit the above, I did not vote in the poll.

I'd buy it, but while holding my nose. I'd prefer that it not be connected to Windows Live in any way.

There ARE linux gamers?!?

Maybe less than 1000...


Anyway, I don't like GFWL but it definitely wouldn't keep me from purchasing a game.

Just like there are mac gamers (ahem ahem!)

No, its far to much of a hassle,but I would buy it for modding capabilities. If it wasn't for mods I would have never bought any of the elder scrolls (That were for console) On PC anyways.

Yeah... "gamers"

Anyway, GFWL wouldn't be that bad of a program if it wasn't done so horribly. Right now it's pretty much a Microsoft DRM-type steam application. If it actually added something awesome or had good deals etc etc it wouldn't be that bad, but currently its like a bad copy-paste job of steam when it first came out.