Will youy buy TESV if it is a Game for Windows Live? : The Elder Scrolls Series Discussion

» Fri May 27, 2011 12:53 am

I was wondering: PC users, would you buy TESV (at release, later, whenever) for the PC if it uses the Games for Windows Live DRM scheme?

Please do not answer the poll if you have no intention of ever playing TESV on the PC.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Games_for_windows (wikipedia article).

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I'll vote in a little while, but I'll post my answer: I dislike the principal of GfWL so much that I don't think that I will buy TESV, even if it is a fantastic game.

» Fri May 27, 2011 3:07 pm

Damn. That's a tough scenario.

I do detest GFWL, and I do detest draconian DRM. But I won't move to consoles. I won't toss aside the ability to mod or the ability to tweak INI.
So it comes down to either living with it or not purchasing TES:V on principle...

I'd have to say, even though it would cause me to complain to no end, I'd still try to live with it for a while. I might not succeed, but I'd still at least have to try.

» Fri May 27, 2011 2:50 pm

Nope, definitely not.
Not much more to say besides that. DRM is a hot button issue for a lot of tech consumers today. TES has always been hands off in that department, and I think it should stay that way. It's not like it is suffering from any lack of sales. I see no reason to go in that direction, personally.

» Fri May 27, 2011 12:00 pm

Like the saying goes, you have put me between a rock and a hard place :brokencomputer: , on one hand we have the unbelievably annoying and stupid Windows Live, then we have the idea of not being able to mod the game, ThatOneGuy pretty much summarized it quite well, and even though i have strong prejudices against anything Microsoft related, i'll still go through all that crap if it means i play the next awesome TES in the series (plus i'm likely to flame about it a lot on the forums :flamethrower:)

» Fri May 27, 2011 3:01 pm

I guess I would, since I don't even know what the "Games for Windows Live DRM scheme" is.

» Fri May 27, 2011 6:47 am

Wikipedia can probably explain it more concisely than I: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Games_for_windows. The "Live" aspect is a sort of 'spin-off' off the GFW service.

» Fri May 27, 2011 11:39 am

Thank you, Alaisiagae for the Wiki article explaining that for us uneducated in Microsoft's deviltry. As soon as I saw the Game Explorer requirement, dear god no. I'm not putting TESV next to minesweeper. I'll buy it for a console and unplug my xbox live connection instead of deal with another Microsoft "planned-obsoletion-monopoly-boosting-by-law-take-over-the-world" type thing. I'll miss the keyboard, mouse, CS, Mods, and DLC involving "real" currency, but I will not miss Vista. Of course, Windows 7 could very easilly change all of this (provided it is the messiah riding in upon his white horse that it's supposed to be).

» Fri May 27, 2011 4:13 pm

I'll [censored] about it, but I'll end up buying it anyway but hell with all the failures with F3's DLC I don't think we'll have to worry about GFWL.

» Fri May 27, 2011 4:30 pm

Honestly, I don't know.

I didn't use gfwl for FO3; I waited and bought the discs. I really don't like the hassle of using [or attempting to use] it and don't want to have to be connected to the internet to play my single player off-line game. I don't care about achievements or whose pc is more of an uber leet super god than mine. It isn't worth it for me.

» Fri May 27, 2011 6:29 am

Isn't it like Steam though? people have gotten over that, even though it's meant I had to buy the same game twice.
It's not a fundamentally bad idea but I like the security of having discs which are mine and can't be remotely deactivated or whatever...

» Fri May 27, 2011 1:46 pm

even though it's meant I had to buy the same game twice.

:facepalm:

» Fri May 27, 2011 2:08 pm

I must be missing something. I have FO3 GOTY with GFWL, I am never asked to log in, I can play without the disc in the drive and I don't need to be on the internet to play. I don't I have to personally interact with anything and I just play the game.

I have no interest in the online features and don't know the first thing about them.

It doesn't bother me and I don't bother it.

If I can have TES:V like I have FO3, then as the topic implies that I might not want this, I can only say: "Why on earth would you think I might not want this?"

» Fri May 27, 2011 2:11 pm

Honestly, I don't know.

I didn't use gfwl for FO3; I waited and bought the discs. I really don't like the hassle of using [or attempting to use] it and don't want to have to be connected to the internet to play my single player off-line game. I don't care about achievements or whose pc is more of an uber leet super god than mine. It isn't worth it for me.

Frankly, I hate this whole social networking gaming crap already. I don't need to win a bronze trophy for finishing a mission, I don't want a damn messgae to come up and ruin the immersion, I don't care who might have done some arbitrary thing bfore I have. Its an RPG, I'm not trying to win trophies. I was intending to get TES V for PC, but if they make me go through that crap, I may think again.

» Fri May 27, 2011 4:50 pm

I haven't even played a Games for Windows game before... so I don't even know what GFWL is like... I suspect the general complaints are an overreaction to a minor annoyance.

But hey, GFWL can't be more annoying than the impossibility of installing DLCs for Oblivion from the Bethesda website. It doesn't work most of the time, even if you have XP, and none of the time if you have Vista.

So with GFWL, we're at least guaranteed to have something that will install on the computer. Which is a plus, for me

» Fri May 27, 2011 9:13 am

Why is this even a thread? Beth has never been a proponent of draconian DRM. Why would they start now? If anything, they have intentionally steered away from such rubish.

» Fri May 27, 2011 4:13 am

I must be missing something. I have FO3 GOTY with GFWL, I am never asked to log in, I can play without the disc in the drive and I don't need to be on the internet to play. I don't I have to personally interact with anything and I just play the game.

I have no interest in the online features and don't know the first thing about them.

It doesn't bother me and I don't bother it.

If I can have TES:V like I have FO3, then as the topic implies that I might not want this, I can only say: "Why on earth would you think I might not want this?"

Aside from my fierce dislike of anything microsoft related (i use a mac), i'm just angry at the whole concept of 'To get plug-ins you have to do it OUR way.' or even 'We'll put silly achievements in the game so pre-teens that play the game can shout at you saying things like "You are n00bz" whenever you log on to our network' If i wanted something like that i would go to a site like kongregate, where the whole point of the site is a social network, based on a gaming network.

» Fri May 27, 2011 8:34 am

Aside from my fierce dislike of anything microsoft related (i use a mac), i'm just angry at the whole concept of 'To get plug-ins you have to do it OUR way.' or even 'We'll put silly achievements in the game so pre-teens that play the game can shout at you saying things like "You are n00bz" whenever you log on to our network' If i wanted something like that i would go to a site like kongregate, where the whole point of the site is a social network, based on a gaming network.

:nod: Although it's not enough to keep me from buying the new TES...

» Fri May 27, 2011 3:25 pm

:nod: Although it's not enough to keep me from buying the new TES...

Don't we all, and i'll just add that the only reason that GFWL even had a chance of being accepted was that it's first game was Halo 2, Halo fans are as crazy about their franchise as we are of TES.

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Plus it's just another way that Microsoft is using to create a business monopoly through games, GFWL = Microsoft's attempt to hack everyone through their games.

» Fri May 27, 2011 11:00 am

I have not used GFWL but I sincerly do not want to and I really don't want it in the next ES game. I despise DRM's and CP (I buy all games legally) They add to loading times and mean I can't make iso's and play without the disc. They're like a parasitic leech or maggot, repugnent vile, evil creatures

» Fri May 27, 2011 9:54 am

What do people have against it? Yeah, sure I would.

» Fri May 27, 2011 8:31 am

What do people have against it? Yeah, sure I would.

Unnecessary fluffware overhead with no intrinsic or added value maybe?

» Fri May 27, 2011 4:52 am

If at some point developers are going to actually force us to use such systems, I'm going to buy the games and then download a cracked version for the sole purpose of not using the tools of manipulation...

» Fri May 27, 2011 7:10 am

Since I don't own a game console, and don't plan to, that would pretty much mean I'd have to skip TES V, rather than contribute to the GfWL stupidity.

» Fri May 27, 2011 12:56 pm

i guess i'll only get a console version since my pc is the biggest load of donkey turd ever

» Fri May 27, 2011 2:34 pm

I'd still buy it for PC, although extremely begrudgingly with a lot of forum complaining if it's GFWL