Witch game would you advice getting? : Fallout Series Discussion

» Sat May 28, 2011 1:37 pm

crap JRPG'

Im gonna to differ in this but this not the correct topic

So

ON TOPIC

The Only Fallout 1 reference in 3 is the Lost Hill Bunker

The other is pretty much the poorly written plot with Michael Bay effects

» Sat May 28, 2011 5:20 pm

Not really. No NCR, BoS is off, exploration prioritizes itself over quests, stylistically its off etc. etc.. NV takes place near 1 and 2 and mentions them much more frequently then 3 does (Marcus talks about fighting alongside the Chosen One, Tandi is mentioned several times, and even The Master is mentioned whereas in 3 he wasn't even mentioned)

As mentioned before Fallout 2 has more than 3 times as many quests, which hits 4 times with the Restoration mod. I easily hit 300 hours on a good playthrough of Fallout 2.

FO2 might of had 300 hours of gameplay for one playthrough but new vegas certainly doesn't, not anywhere close, maybe 30 hours, there's just not enough content in the game, the map is static, its fun to play for a month or two but its pretty repetitive after that, i still suggest it for a falllout fan but don't expect the hundreds and hundreds of hours of gameplay like FO3, bethesda did a great job bringing the franchise back to life.

» Sat May 28, 2011 5:52 am

bethesda did a great job with FO3.

» Sat May 28, 2011 2:12 pm

bethesda did a great job with FO3.

Sure. It's a good post-apocalyptic action game.

» Sat May 28, 2011 4:21 pm

Some posts were removed. The topic was recommending a game, not the tiresome argument of what some of you think about Bethesda and their installment to the Fallout franchise.

» Sat May 28, 2011 5:24 pm

Hmm, I have typed next to each game on witch you should get.

Fallout 1: Amazing. Turn based combat, massive. May turn you off if you don't like isometric turn based combat. If you have the patience like I did, you will have an experience you will not soon forget.

Fallout 2: Same as Fallout 1, but more massive.

Fallout Tactics: I wouldn't recommend this this as your first, but its an okay game

All three of the above come in one pack.

Fallout Brotherhood of Steel AKA The One That Cannot Be Spoken Of: Don't even bother with this piece of junk. IF you get it, I will call the HAZMAT squad of you.

Fallout 3: If you like exploration, very heavy green tint, and a linear story with a ton of epicness, this game is for you.

Fallout New Vegas: If your a fan of green tint and exploration, this game isn't your best bet, but if you love a great story, tight narritive, and multiple endings, not to mention humanity rebuilding, this game is for you.

» Sat May 28, 2011 3:56 pm

Well... we all know Valve is an awesome company ^_^ It's a good point you brought up, that they've made four (actually five, L4D1 is theirs since they bought up Turtle Rock Studios when the game was beta, so what they had was the concept of four survivors in a zombie apocalypse, the characters (which Valve changed) and the No Mercy campaign) really good and different games. You can see similarities between Half Life 2 and L4D in that it has a bunch of the same props, but other than that... they are different. L4D's using a modified version of the Source Engine. Zombie Panic! is the closest you get to L4D and it's still different.

But westoftherockies want Bethesda to make all the games in the same style every time, even though the genres and universes are completly different. I mean, Bethesda has only done The Elder Scrolls, right? They're up on their fifth TES game now, and it's their franchise so of course they know how to do that right. Then they buy the Fallout franchise, which they didn't make up and are new to, and though "hey, let's make this game like we've done all our previous games". While Valve makes different game series that are all unique. Sure, they get A LOT from their modding community, they owe a lot to them (like Counter Strike, Day of Defeat, Team Fortress) but they also care alot about the community in terms of how easy it is to make mods on the Source engine, and the free DLC's for L4D2 for example, and that they use modder's ideas for their games. Well, I was thinking since you were talking about a game company that does good games since it cares about its fans - Valve does that too on a great level and can make completly different games.

Oh, and by the way, west. Stop. Using. The. Same. Argument. Each. And. Every. Time! You constantly bring up "oh, but Obivion and Fallout 3 both got over 9 out of 10, that speaks for itself how awesome Bethesda are". It's no good way to argue by mixing in review numbers in terms of saying how much you like a game, even less good when you do it all the time.

bethesda and obsidian make games different, i prefer bethesda games, it doesn't mean i don't like new vegas, it just means i think bethesdas style of gamemaking appeals to more people than the traditonal RPG developers, the emphasis on exploration and combat is what i like about their games, and game ratings are important to me, i don't play games rated under 8 usually.

» Sat May 28, 2011 9:34 am

Then you'd be missing out on lots of gems. XD the way reviewers work today the "high ratings" merely depend on how deep the marketing department is on any given company. Hence why you'll see wildly different reviews pre and post release for your precious FO3. XD

» Sat May 28, 2011 8:22 am

bethesda did a great job with FO3.

No in my eyes and taste, maybe yes in yours

» Sat May 28, 2011 12:22 pm

and game ratings are important to me, i don't play games rated under 8 usually.

..............

First I laughed out loud.
Then I came up with so much to answer you with.
Then I kinda got speechless.

» Sat May 28, 2011 5:39 pm

Game ratings are important to me, i don't play games rated under 8 usually.

So you let other people tell you what is fun and what is not then?
I see something I'm interested in then I do some research about it and might eventually buy it.
See no reason to care for what any reviewers say about a game. :shrug:

» Sat May 28, 2011 7:22 am

Sounds like alot of the people harping on how "good" FO 3 is have never played the originals, so have no concept of what "qualities" would make a good fallout game. XD

I Agree... but they do have a concept of what "qualities" would make a good fallout game; It just usually bears no relation to Fallout... It's based on personal preference and on Fallout 3. :shrug: The distinction for some is an alien one. I can look at a game series and see that certain things that I know I would enjoy, are not suitable to add to it, or in keeping with it's series. I won't usually take the position that it should be changed, or think, "Well its obviously better my way than the way way it was done before".

Coming from an RPG background, here's a hypothetical (for anyone). Would it be in keeping with the series of Madden NFL to make the game first person playing as a coach on the side lines? Or as the quarterback? What if the game let you walk out of the stadium, get into a car and drive home? What if it added guns? (as some of the player's are known to own). Would this [joking parody] of a Bethesda take on "Madden NFL 2012" be an improvement?
I don't say it wouldn't be neat, but is it appropriate? :lol:

They could apply that kind of detail if they tried, and it would be just as realistic [within context] as TES; but it would shift the focus of the series away from what the fans of the series liked about it. I can even picture the forum wars stating that sales figures prove its more popular (and so, intrinsically better) that it was before. :lmao: ( :sadvaultboy: )

No in my eyes and taste, maybe yes in yours

Mine either ~but I can't ignore that it is exactly what they chose to design, and performs as expected, and profitably. (Is that a bad company then? I couldn't win that argument.)

i'm thinking of buying a Fallout game... I think the series sound (from what I've heard) pretty good... witch game would you advice I get? New Vegas or 3?

Before buying any of them, decide what experience you want from it.

If you want detailed first person exploration with activity around every corner, buy Fallout 3.
If you want detailed first person exploration of a 'timeline correct' fallout setting. IMO New Vegas is the only option.
If you want a detailed RPG ~any of them would work.
If you want Timeline correct Fallout RPGs ~ IMO choose any but Fallout 3
If you want the most indicative of the Fallout series ~Fallout 1, hands down. (This game doesn't use first person 3D, and uses a PnP style turn based combat mechanics)
If you want a more polished version of the game try Fallout 2. Its bigger, and improved on the technical side of play; and has a decent story.
If you want the best Turn Based combat of all the Fallout themed games, Fallout Tactics is IMO the best ~but its not really trying to be more than a turn based strategy game. If you are looking for an RPG, it might seem shallow, though it does support detailed characters; (and playing more than one at a time).

» Sat May 28, 2011 8:57 am

bethesda and obsidian make games different, i prefer bethesda games, it doesn't mean i don't like new vegas, it just means i think bethesdas style of gamemaking appeals to more people than the traditonal RPG developers, the emphasis on exploration and combat is what i like about their games, and game ratings are important to me, i don't play games rated under 8 usually.

I also have found that rating figure to be a pretty sound base, I find that ratings from game magazines are more reliable than elsewhere, they also give pros and cons and even a second opinion in one of them. An accurate review is really the life-blood of a magazine, so if it's a style of game that I like, and a good review, then it's a good buy.

A forum is ok for personal opinions of a game, but as this topic shows, opinions are wildly different, which makes me wonder if some play the game wildly differently to the rest of the players of this highly rated GOTY game.

Bethesda do have a reputation for making massive games high on exploration, good combat, and really cramming their games with content, and Beth actually are very high on role-play as well. This game Fallout3 falls into those categories and was specifically designed along the lines and flavour of the early Fallouts, with a M-rated mature content foot-print of Fallout 1.

Once out of the Fallout3 Vault and playing the game 'proper' I was indeed hit by that Flavour-of-Fallout..ahh, and with the ability to adjust and mould my character to my preferences, I was able to have a very well balanced but hard and exciting game, which was what I wanted.

A good 'Fallout' game is guaranteed that way. It is a characteristic of the Fallout series, the ability of choice on how to mould your 'Fallout' character and game. Failure to like Fallout3 as a 'FALLOUT' game is a failure of choice and play really.

It's that simple, but a few do have difficulty of accepting that some changes do happen between each game of series ... otherwise we would just be playing a same copy of the game. As long as the core feel and flavour of Fallout is kept, which it is, then the changes are acceptable ... not only were they acceptable in Fallout3, they were praised for making a great Fallout. Improvements were welcome by all but a few.

i'm thinking of buying a Fallout game... I think the series sound (from what I've heard) pretty good... witch game would you advice I get? New Vegas or 3?

Fallout3 hits all the right buttons for entering into the Fallout-series world.

» Sat May 28, 2011 6:54 am

i'm thinking of buying a Fallout game... I think the series sound (from what I've heard) pretty good... witch game would you advice I get? New Vegas or 3?

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New Vegas improves upon Fallout 3 in every single way except for two:
1. Music. Fallout 3 hit the nail on the head with the music selection, New Vegas was 'good', but not as astoundingly so as Fallout 3.
2. Exploration. Fallout 3 has larger dungeons to explore.

With that said, if you're buying for the PC those problems are both fixed with mods and there is no reason AT ALL to buy Fallout 3. If you're buying on a console, depends on whether you want to explore and shoot or have a decent story.

» Sat May 28, 2011 9:25 am

with a M-rated mature content foot-print of Fallout 1.

You can kill children in Fallout 1, and in 2 you and you companions can have six with prosttutes

More gore and swear doesnt make a game Mature

A good 'Fallout' game is guaranteed that way. It is a characteristic of the Fallout series, the ability of choice on how to mould your 'Fallout' character and game. Failure to like Fallout3 as a 'FALLOUT' game is a failure of choice and play really.

What???

I also have found that rating figure to be a pretty sound base

IGN isn reliable anymore, neither Screwattack and most of the reviewers these days, They can put 10/10 to Fallout 3 GOTY edition,
fj
But the game its still bad for me

I personally dont care what reviews says about any game,movie,music,etc

» Sat May 28, 2011 8:08 am

More gore and swear doesnt make a game Mature

If it did, that would make South Park the most mature cartoon ever made.

» Sat May 28, 2011 12:21 pm

If it did, that would make South Park the most mature cartoon ever made.

Yeah, people nowadays and their terms of what its "Mature" and what not

I dont need gallons of blood and people saying a bad word every 15 second to make a M rated game,

The M rate covers more than that

» Sat May 28, 2011 2:02 pm

I say new vegas. I personally feel that New Vegas is superior to 3 in most ways. Other than that, you could always go to Walmart or someplace and for about 20 bucks pick up the triple pack of Fallout 1, 2 , and tactics. Both of the originals are excellent traditional style rpg's and tactics is pretty good to boot, though is far from my favorite.

» Sat May 28, 2011 2:42 pm

Fallout 3 didn't retain the feel of Fallout, it looked at it and sprinted the other direction... It was a good post-nuclear game as many have said, but not a good Fallout game. And many who say the changes from the earlier Fallouts to Fallout 3, haven't played the earlier ones. Fallout was always a cult-classic, now it's a main-stream

It dared to be Fallout...now it's (literally) Oblivion with Guns in Post-Nuclear America.

» Sat May 28, 2011 8:43 pm

i'm thinking of buying a Fallout game... I think the series sound (from what I've heard) pretty good... witch game would you advice I get? New Vegas or 3?

New Vegas is generally not considered to be a 'Series' game, but more of an off-shoot of the Fallout Series 1,2,3. The coming Fallout4 will of course be a Series game. Fallout Tactics was also considered to be a Series off-shoot when it came out (after Fallout 2), great tactical game though, but with less of the type of mature content that Fallout3 has, and that Fallout 1and 2 had.

MATURE and the M rating of games:-------
The content of the Fallout series are known to have game-play situations that can have outcomes which are very unpleasant, distasteful, disturbing, upsetting, or just plain sick as some have commented.

Which is why Game makers give an advisory M rating to protect the less mature mind.

They assumed that at the M rated age that the player would indeed be mature ...

.... but that could be questionable.

(We do have players on the forum who are just 13.)

Fallout3 can be played any way you want to, as a good hero type, or a complete psychotic nut-case (I hear "Great, I'll buy it") .. but you can't kill children ("Aww").

The more you explore Fallout3 the more of the mature content and depth to the game you will find, and will fully appreciate the type of game that a 'Fallout' series really is.

(Don't buy Oblivion expecting it to be, similar to Fallout3 as some have said, it's not even remotely similar,you can safely disregard such comments)

» Sat May 28, 2011 4:32 am

Start with Fallout 1, it is the best Fallout game ever, it is the Fallout game, ever.

» Sat May 28, 2011 5:07 am

New Vegas is generally not considered to be a 'Series' game, but more of an off-shoot of the Fallout Series 1,2,3.

Says who?

The more you explore Fallout3 the more of the mature content and depth to the game you will find, and will fully appreciate the type of game that a 'Fallout' series really is.

Very misleading, Fallout 1 is what defines what "Fallout series" really is.

(Don't buy Oblivion expecting it to be, similar to Fallout3 as some have said, it's not even remotely similar,you can safely disregard such comments)

It is extremely similar.

» Sat May 28, 2011 3:16 pm

(Don't buy Oblivion expecting it to be, similar to Fallout3 as some have said, it's not even remotely similar,you can safely disregard such comments)

It is extremely similar.

Good luck getting the crux of that point through to him gabriel.

» Sat May 28, 2011 12:19 pm

Good luck getting the crux of that point through to him gabriel.

Not going to discuss it with anyone really.
If one can't see it on first glance then I won't bother trying to explain it.
I first played FO3 and heard that Oblivion was very similar so I went ahead and bought it and the first thing that came to mind was "Man... Those people were right... Fallout 3 is Oblivion With Guns."
Sure they're not exact replicas of one another but there are enough similarities to call FO3 a total conversion mod of Oblivion.

» Sat May 28, 2011 1:06 pm

Reading the last couple of pages it amazes be that some people don't notice the 3 beside their copy of Fallout 3.

Fallout, Fallout 2 are more Mature because you can have six, you can take drugs that have negative side, also you can kill kids,thay are also full of swearing, Myron. Fallout 3 turned Jet into something good for you. Can't have six, only some people swear. New Vegas, one conversation with Rose of Sharon Cassidy I was thinking "wow don't you know any other words besides swear?" lol. Fallout 3 is nothing but blood and guts and really the Originals do better. In the Originals you can set people on fire and watch them run around and burn to dead. You can blast peoples upper body off or their chest out.

Fallout 3 feels T-for Teen.

New Vegas has everything the Originals have when it comes to being Rated-M but for the kid thing.

Also for people saying New Vegas is a Spin-off I hate to tell you this, Fallout 3 is also a spin off. Yeah it has the big 3 that I pointed out but it does not continue the story of Fallout 2. It does not meet the definition of sequel.