Of course it is.

You are right when you say that we don't REALLY know what those Adventure Zones will be.

One thing that I don't understand is why there is that many PvE players that just hates PvP for no real reason.

Most of them just cry and say things like "PvP is for kids", "duels and arenas are just for kids to brag about their [censored]"..and those kind of nonsense.

Lol i agree with this guy a lot.

As he said no this is just your opinion you can find many people who say open world is a zerg fest and a playground for people who want to kill lower lvl players wen they are doing their pve.

Again different people different taste on pvp.

So explain it to us.

Just because you think it is...doesn't make it true. lol

Duels are like boxing matches.

We might as well be comparing Ali vs Foreman to WWII. Sure they called Ali Foreman a "war", doesnt really make it a real war.

Its got nothing really to do with my preference, to me PVP is a war, that is how I define it. Unexpected stuff happens during a war. Duels are just that, duels.

Yep.

A bad player in the middle of a zerg doing anything means nothing.

A bad player on a 1v1 match, 2v2 match....

It's like with heavy metal. There is no "true" metal and any metalhead will know what I'm talking about. It's all PVP, that's it. I'm against arenas though, they become a drama hurricane very quickly because "omg that class is so OP nerf nerf yadda yadda".

My response was on par with yours. I dont feed laziness with logn replies.

You just don't have a good argument.

Like I said:

A bad player in the middle of a zerg doing anything means nothing.

A bad player on a 1v1 match, 2v2 match....what do you think ?

I see Cyrodiil like a "macro" strategy.

Not the same with really small group PvP or 1v1. That's a different kind of strategy. (where if you are bad player, you gonna get exposed for sure)

I could equally say the same thing.

"Good" player has time to get all his buffs up, or get buffed by another player, meticulously prepares food and drink and readies himself. Looks at player in front of him..spams best ability. Gear score=win

Same player, standing in front of AH, yapping, forgot he had PVP flag on, gets jumped. Didnt get first shot..panics hitting abilities at random that he did not have 10 minutes to prepare for, gets rolled.

Guess duels arent the end all be all indicator of skill.

You gave an answer to you self.TO YOU PVP means war and that counts only for you not for everyone.

Again, the term is player versus player not people who are going to war.

Like I said, Ive seen good duelists refuse to fight in open PVP cause they get ruined.

Because my experience is different than yours, my arguments bad.

Right.

Your argument is.."Well that's just your opinion"

Of course its my opinion, Im the one typing it. If thats your argument, thats no argument at all.

I never asked a question, no answer is required.

Yea 1 vs 1 duel PvP is different from open world PvP or even instanced group vs group PvP. Anyone saying anything else is ignorant or stupid. It's like comparing the experience of using a gun at the gun range is the same as using a gun in a live combat scenario.

You are the one who says that real pvp its only open world pvp not me.You gave a definition of true pvp not me.

You are arguing with your self apparently what is the best form of pvp not me.

I just argue with the term true pvp wich you mention and unless you will give me an official link or something that open world pvp means true pvp then i must think that you are just trolling.

Also this:Player(s) versus player(s), or PvP, is a type of http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Multiplayer_video_game interactive conflict within a game between two or more live participants.^{http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Player_versus_player#cite_note-1} This is in contrast to games where players compete against computer controlled opponents, which is correspondingly referred to as http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Player_versus_environment (PvE). The terms are most often used in games where both activities exist,^{http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Player_versus_player#cite_note-2} particularly http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MMORPG, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MUD, and other http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Role-playing_video_game.

How am I arguing with myself?

You can quote a link to what scientologist think god is, doesnt change the fact that I dont believe in Xenu. I reserve the right to my own beliefs. Maybe it's you who is doing the trolling. I actually have a stance that Im ready to debate if needed, this whole "yar but that's just ur 'pinion though." Is pretty pointless to be honest.

I've already put my reasoning there for what I said, you seem to be unwilling to argue the point. Your argument is totally revolving around semantics, which again could be considered trolling.

See ya next time.

How about developers realize they should make games that don't try to be everything to everyone. Make a kickass pve or pvp game, but don't pretend to be both, they both suffer in the long run through constant balancing acts/ omissions.

I think that no one here said that.

Too right, Im glad that there are still other PVPers who understand this. Hopefully we play the same faction and can work together sometime.

No one said that 1v1 is the same thing as world PvP.

???

Well I think they will add duels at one point into the game but it's not really an important part to have. Mainly because dueling with not in any way prepare you or train you for combat in Cyrodiil. 1 vs 1 PvP tactics can not be applied on a big scale RvRvR PvP scenario.

Personally I really want an auto ignore duel option too when/if they add duels as duels in my opinion is just a waist if time and good for nothing.

It's not important for you. What about other ppl ?

And why do you think that duels must be "a way to prepare you or train you for combat in Cyrodiil".

You just said they are 2 different things(and they are VERY different)...and now you want to compare them like that ?

What about having Duels jusr for fun ?? Do you know what that means ?

And I want an auto ignore duel option too.

And about SaibotLiu...i think that his logic:

is false.

His arguments ?

Hmmm...

=(

I love the way this topic turned into PvPers fighting with PvPers, while the PvEers stand to the side and go "see?"

Kidding btw. I'm a PvEer and I think the way the game segregates PvPers is perfect, and I also think there's tons of PvE endgame content even WITHOUT Adventure Zones. But then, I don't think raiding is the be-all and end-all of PvE endgame

And I think there are a lot more people who see things the way I do. There may not be as much conflict as appears from the very vocal few who complain a lot

I compared duels to checkers, because you're operating under a very strict set of circumstances which can be managed, you have a limited number of threats to worry about, namely the guy in front of you. Easy to prepare for, fights are decided before they even start.

Open world PVP is chess, many different variables to account for, far many than any one player can keep track of at any given time.

Checkers=limited number of moves

Chess=nearly unlimited number of moves.

You said:

lol

not its not

Okay, your turn.