I mean honestly PvP players got one thing in this game, Cyrodill, no duels, arenas, battlegrounds, FFA, nope all PvP players got is one amazing zone dedicated to PvP yet I see constant post of PvE players complaining or asking if this game is a PvP game.

Honestly I just want duels so me and friends can have friendly competition without doing something over complicated liKe creating alts and meeting each other on Cyrodill just to have a small spar.

+1

Edit: All i wanted is Cyrodiil(where all the PvP rewards are), Duels and Arenas (without rewards, just for fun).

There is no reason not to have it... =(

Dueling? But that's PvP, you're going to ruin ESO, run away, run away!

That's what happens when you get a small group of very vocal people spreading misinformation about Cyrodiil .

I'd personally say that Cyrodiil is one huge battleground, so that part is covered. As for duels/arena, only bad things can come from there. The pvp is balanced around groups, which means that in 1 vs 1 there will always be builds that beat down most other builds. This will cause people to cry for nerfing of that build, while it might be perfectly balanced in a group.

As for free for all, not sure how that should be handled. Drop 30 people in an area, may the best man win? Sounds like the same as with duels, group balanced characters suddenly get nerfed to uselessness in groups because they do too well in 1 vs 1.

Both sides should stop complaining, this game is not released yet.

Ppl will cry about balance, with or without duels/arenas.

There is plenty of nerf/buff treads even before the release.

And they don't need to balance it hard if those duels/arenas were just for fun.

Discussions on PVP players vs PVE players never end well, first off... and it is because the two mindsets will never comprehend each other, they cannot, they speak such different languages, would be like absolute anarchy and absolute law trying to reach an agreement.

You see it as, "all PvP players got is one amazing zone dedicated to PvP"

The PVE players see it as, "The game is PVE wrapped around PVP"

And why? Because yes, there is PVE, but once getting to 50, are there REALLY raids to do? They say there are dungeons, but are they actually captivating enough to keep people interested? I mean, EQ only had the 2 raids at first, but that was enough to entertain 200+K people long enough to get out more content... Most games that 'say' they have plenty to do PVE wise at end game end up being like SWTOR, Rift, etc... just the dailies that get REALLY old really quick, and do not really count as end-game content... instead, the ONLY real thing to do at 50 is PVP... and to further make matters worse, the best gear tends to come FROM PVP, or out of PVP zones...

Think about that for a bit... in ESO, where do the best crafting materials come from? Cyrodil. Where are the top end quests found? Cyrodil... pretty much the entire end-game is in PVP land, except the dungeons... and like I said, we don't know if those are actually truly what PVE players are looking for, will they take the place of doing 'raids' in most games? How will these 'veteran dungeons' stand against what PVE players have seen before... or will they svck, and all the PVE players will be left going, "I leveled up doing ALL pve content, did all my crafting in PVE areas... and now that I am 50, the only way to do anything real, is to go PVP??"

Try and see it from both sides, not just your side... yes, all you have is that one beautiful zone... but so much of the game LEADS to that zone, which in turn makes every PVE player wonder if this game is just a PVE facade wrapped around a PVP core, where the only real purpose YET again, game after game after game, IS to PVP.

Adventure Zones.

The PvP players should be equally concerned about PvE players being funneled into Cyrodiil. If i have to enter Cyrodiil to complete PvE content, i will be organizing a guild event for it so we can do safety in numbers. Because of this, we are likely to eat into a big chunk of the player cap while we are in there, contributing nothing to the PvP fight.

Lets not forget that if there is pure PvP, AvA players would still complain about both PvE and PvP and vice versa.

Just look at GW2:

In the WvW forums, everyone say that they are neglected, Anet doesnt care about WvW.
In the PvP forums, everyone say that they are neglected, Anet only care about WvW and PvE.

In the PvE forums, everyone say Anet only care about lisbian kisses and then everyone forget wtf PvP and WvW is.

Same thing here. Well without the kissing part.

Google "12 man ESO Adventure Zones"

Google helps!

Duels/arena is PVP for tourists. Real PVP is fighting under circumstances you are not in control of and can change on a moments notice.

That said, there's plenty of content for most playstyles here. People who say otherwise are just greedy.

GW2 is not a very good comparison as that game has literally ZERO endgame content. Once you reach level 80 there is absolutely nothing left for a PvE player to do apart from scouting all the maps and completing all the grind quests.

I like lisbian kisses.

And my take on all this is that PvE shouldn't be dragged to Cyrodiil or any PvP content if they don't want. ( besides open world PvP cuz that is awesome in many aspects IMO )

And PvP players shouldn't have only Cyrodiil as PvP content...you can't duel with your friend, you can't duel with other factions while questing outside Cyrodiil, we don't have any arena....

More content is more content...it just needs to be well implemented.

No need to give them more reasons to cry and cause even more widespread nerfing though is there.

Yeap this.

Warhammer online didn't have duels also but late at night we met destros at places and we made duels just for fun.I can tell you after 2 years in Warhammer nerf calls was every days subject so no duels its not a bad thing and no duels will not make people ask for nerfs.This game is still in beta and you can see many threads asking for nerfs or boost.

If there isn't a big level/gear disparity, you are never in total control when playing PvP.

That's not different in Arenas or duels.

This is exactly my point... not very many people know anything about those things... so it is a great unknown. We KNOW that Cyrodil exists, and what is in there. We also know that the best crafting materials come from Cyrodil, and that most (if not all) quests at high end are in (or involving) Cyrodil... and if Cyrodil is a PVP zone, then pure PVE players will be extremely worried (to downright upset) that they HAVE to participate in PVP to continue progressing... the only alternative being these Veteran areas that we know NOTHING about (and therefore could be very please with, could be extremely disappointed with, we don't know yet)...

That leaves many of the PVE players very worried, and complaining... mainly because there has not been a triple-A title out in last so many years that really catered to having TRUE solid PVE progression... they always require the pure PVE player to do some form of PVP, or leave them with nothing to do (so they quit)... PVE players have been looking for a long LONG time to find a game where they can truly just ignore that PVP is even part of the game and still enjoy the game as much as the PVP players enjoy it. That game does not exist yet... last one was probably 6-8 years ago...

Yes because I was definetly comparing ESO endgame with GW2. My post make that very clear. I think.

Sometimes I wonder why I even post here, sigh...

I haven't seen one since WoW came out nearly 10 years ago.

Arena/Duels=Checkers

Open World PVP=Chess.

You were comparing the gripes that players have, and in GW2 the PvE players have plenty to gripe about.
So yes, you were making a comparison.
Take your superiority complex and shove it.

lol

Not true.

PvP means player versus player and arena and duels is a form of player versus a player so they are also true pvp.Your definition of true pvp is a different style of pvp not true pvp.

People who say otherwise are just state their personal preference as a rule.

I've always been into PvE apart from a bit of pvp in WoW. I have nothing at all against people that want to PvP and I am completely happy that its in ESO but what i do take issue with is that we seem to be forced to go to PvP areas to get certain mats or to use stores. I will go to these areas and no doubt I will be Ganked but it can live with that.

What i think a lot of people aren't happy about is that it seems that we are being railroaded into PvP and I also think people are concerned that there will be little to do come the so called "End Game" pve wise.

I personally will wait and see. If there's little to keep me here then I'll vote with my ￡s but I have complete confidence that there will be equal amounts for both parties to do.