I have seen several videos on character creation and I have yet to see anything about gender. My sister actually brought this to my attention. Are there going to be female fighters as well? If not why?

No, primarily because it would either double the amount of artwork required or half the amount each gender gets.

more work = longer developmenttime (delay) or then they have to take a shortcut = less content per gender

maybe later on DLC

and this is all talked in many thems just look in the brink compendium of horse ^^

I've also been wondering about this. Maybe it's some "No women recruited policy"?

My roommate and myself, both women, were really interested in this game until this came to light. Kind of surprising that a game that trumpets being all about character customization left out an entire gender to choose from...

Won't be preordering, now. Thanks, Bethesda.

Did none of you read what Hungry Donner wrote. There is a good reason they did not incorporate both genders because they do not have enough time and it would end up cutting the customization options in half.

If's funny how "offended" all these people are that there are no female characters, yet if the game was entirely female characters, they'd be perfectly content....

Ignorance is bliss.

I know right lol

I had a thread on that.




They would have to delay the game even further to put women in. They wanted to have female characters but they didn't want to just take a male model and slap boobs on it.

The irony to your statement is that Brink has such an impressive amount of customization BECAUSE they left out an entire gender.

Alright.

Hey guys, lady gamer here. Gotta agree with the other women up-thread. The lack of female characters in Brink has put me off from pre-ordering the game. In fact, I probably won't buy it at all unless female characters are added. Most of you (in this thread) don't seem to understand why that's a big deal for some of us.

I'm not "offended" by the lack of female characters. I'm disappointed. When I play games where I can choose the gender of the PC I don't always pick women. Shocker. Usually I'll do a couple run throughs and do each of the available genders. I don't have problems playing men in games. But, yeah, if a game is all about character customization and I can't make one of the most basic choices I'm going to feel let down.

Seriously, dudes. Think of all the awesome games with male leads. GTA, Red Dead Redemption, Army of Two, Alan Wake, Gears of War, Uncharted, God of War, the list goes on. Compare that to the number of awesome games with female leads. I'm coming up with, like, Mirror's Edge. Sure, Mass Effect, but the face on all the promo is dude!Shep. Lara Croft, Bayonetta - they don't count because sometimes I want to play a game where I'm a woman, not a walking pair of [censored] with a shotgun.

Hell, I'm not even asking for actual "characters" here, though. I just want the option to be available to me. Being a girl in the gaming community can be a drag when a lot of the time guys don't take you seriously but now, in a game that looks completely awesome otherwise, the devs don't even take you seriously to offer you any sort of representation?

So, yeah. Gonna pass on this one 'til something happens.

Passing up a game with as much potential and innovation as Brink, with a good chance to have absolute blast playing it - just because you can't be female = laughable. Not only are you not going to buy it, you're not even going to play it...that's ridiculous.


Sorry, "average" girls don't tend to sell well in games. Remember, it's the Gaming "Industry." Industry = profit is a high priority.


One reason guys aren't taking you seriously, is because of your petty complaints, like this one. If you actually were a "gamer," the fact that you can't play as a female, would mean little or nothing to you.

1. Being a "gamer," you should have already come to the realization that females tend to be nothing more than eye candy - even the main characters.
2. complaining that you can't choose your gender in an FPS game, where customization at all is rare, comes off as nothing more than whining.

If you want guys to take you "seriously," I would recommend acting it.

I don't usually respond to the threads about women in this game, mainly because the idea has been covered to death in various other threads. However, I have to respond to the hypocrisy in the post above. You say that all of those games with female leads shouldn't count because of the curvaceous and bountiful (paraphrased, obviously) nature of the women involved. Could the opposite not also be stated? In all the games you mentioned, the men are well-muscled. I am not well-muscled. So maybe those games shouldn't count either because of the physiques of the male leads. Perhaps I'd rather play as someone who is morbidly obese, or even paper thin. The logic in that argument is the same as the one that you use in yours.

I feel for the female gamers, as I understand that they want a character who truly represents them. However, the male character is hardly going to represent me accurately, since even the lights will be far more muscled than I am. I'm sure that they'll have abs and biceps much larger than my own. You're going to be hard-pressed to find many men who complained about having to play as a female in games when they were given no choice. I'm not saying that there weren't any, but I am saying that most logical gamers understood that writing a second storyline with new cut-scenes for Tomb Raider is idealistic at best. It's the same with this game; in order to have this many customizations, they had to sacrifice the ability to play as the opposing gender. It shouldn't put someone off buying the game; however, your choice in video games is your prerogative, and if you will feel so out of place playing a game where you are forced to be a male, by all means try a different game. I will warn you that your choice will be quite limited, though.

Horse...

You raise a lot of good points.



Yes. That's completely true. But, you can't seem to grasp the concept that this is wrong. It's not a good thing. And when things aren't right, I tend to want to change them. You know, so they're better. The gaming industry IS making slow but sure progress, but I feel like it's important that gamers in the minority make their opinions heard. That's how stuff changes, that's how things get done. You see a problem, you point it out, you do what you can to fix it.



I suspect it's only laughable to you because you've never had to deal with something like that. Now, (forgive me if I'm wrong, this is just an assumption) I'm going to bet that you're a straight white guy. Not very hard to come across plentiful and varied representation for ya, is it? Women, people of color, gays - we don't get that. So maybe things like that rub us a bit raw in ways you just can't understand.

Your arguments up thread that if women were added guys wouldn't have enough customization basically amounts to "it's cool that you guys got the shaft 'cause look at all the stuff for me!"

And if at anywhere in my first post I implied that having guys approve of me was one of my main priorities, I apologize. You were grossly mislead.

I have to say that I feel the women pain and I'm also disappointed by the lack of female characters. And me to has not had my share of people like me, I'm a ginger. How many male ('cause ginger females are hot) ginger characters can you remember?




Sorry, just had to throw that joke in.

Debating what is right or wrong, doesn't hold the same merit when discussing video games. It's not real life, they don't necessarily need to uphold to the same morals and ethics that real life does. It's a game - you play it to escape reality. The main characters are what you make of them. Tomb Raider wasn't good because Lara Croft was the main character. It was good because of the things the game allowed you to do, and the overall fun. Lara Croft could have been a man, a woman, or a wildebeest.



No, because YOU would have gotten the shaft as well. Granted, you would at least have females, but it would be very limited - it would would be like they added females, just for the sake to add them. They probably wouldn't even be boasting about the customization like they are now

Hey. Mark Picco. Sorry, man, I didn't catch your reply right away.

I actually completely agree with you on the state of the male lead in games as well. Well, not so much with you on the paper-thin/morbidly-obese note because I accept that given the fact most games are action oriented a certain amount of physical prowess is necessary and that kind of limits the range of body types that can be used.

However, I do think the intense macho 'roidrage archetype that we've got going is a problem. That being said, it's kind of OT for this thread, which is about women in gaming. I feel like triyng to make that point at the same time as speaking on the more specific issue of female characters in games would have been an information overload and detracted from my original points, which I still stand by.

If you're very interested in the concept I suggest the documentary Bigger, Faster, Stronger - it takes a hard look at the gradual slide we've made as a culture from being interested in "real men" to the cartoonish musclemen that plague our media now. Trust me, I know it's frustrating. I read comic books and I've really got to push my suspension of disbelief whenever I see a biceps bigger than someone's head. And playing Army of Two with my buddy last week was kind of ridiculous. Everyone looked like http://www.comicbookreligion.com/char?ID=15220&Creote_Aleksandr_Creote.

I do feel sad that females characters aren't in this game. The dev's have said several times that they wanted to do women right or not at all. Its much more that slapping a pair of (censored). I still hope to see it in DLC or Brink II for the female fans.

It saddens me that women immediately turn off when they here that there are no female characters.

I can see how they (female gamers) can be disappointed. I have no doubt the choice they made was difficult, especially for whoever was working on the female models when the decision was made. All-in-all, I think it was for the best if it gets the game to the gamers sooner. You can always hope for DLC to add the feature, and I have no doubt any DLC will be extra customization options as well as maps. Perhaps they are working on female models right now, seeing as how the molotov seems to have made a comeback.

This goes out to the Moderators in hopes that they seriously pass this along to the developers :

I am a male gamer, who happens to be a member of a family composed of gamers, mostly female gamers. They absolutely hate games that don't allow them to play as their particular gender because they already feel alienated in the gaming world, only to see that the developers themselves don't take their desires into account. I fully understand your point that you'll have to decide on making customization cuts or adding female models to the game but in all honesty I think it's FAR more important for you to incorporate female models to the game and provide additional customization options later as DLC for example.

From a business perspective it makes no sense to cut women out of your game because, believe it or not they are playing videogames more and more, where it was less than 1/4 of all gamers being female it's over 1/3 now and increasing as developers have moved away from the "Barbie" style games and more into the mainstream with their female characters and heroines. Honestly if the guys at EPIC games can realise how important this is by adding a female character to the game I am shocked to hear that Bethesda would make the conscious decision not to include playable female characters in a game of this size with this much potential.

If you need further convincing : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R8ZVZRsy8N8

On a more personal note : Please, do not alienate my fiancee, I was really looking forward to playing this with her (we've both been FPS Gamers since the days of Doom) and this is the ONLY reason why she's currently refusing to play it with me.

I agree about morality in videogames. Mostly because I love FPS and - face it - there's no "morally justifiable" way to blow someone's brains out. But that's morality IN video games. I think most gamers are ready to realize and acknowledge the fact that there are flawed parts of the gaming industry that need change - not just in regards to better female characters but in other aspects as well. Topics for another thread, though. My main goal in posting to this thread was to try to get some gamer who maybe didn't quite understand all the hub-ub to perhaps see where those of us that are upset at the lack of female characters in Brink are coming from.

I'm not boycotting the game forever 'cause of my crazy ladyrage. Bethesda are more than welcome to my money (and I will drop an obscene amount of money on games. I am that geek) once they give me the option to play with a female character.

PS: I totally would have played Lara Croft: Wildebeest.

Yes, female gamers do make up a good number of the market, but not FPS games, thus, choosing to "beef up" male customization in Brink, was the better choice.

There are technical reasons a game seemingly as customizable as BRINK doesn't include female avatars; disregard the added development time or content cuts altogether. I'm one of many disappointed they will not be available at launch but it's understandable the reasons why. Once the game has gone Gold and if it's in the developers best interest, I don't see why they couldn't begin work on optimizing BRINK to help get past those limitations and include female avatars at a later date

now, imagine there are women,
how will they look? ugly so the population is ugly overall(and no-one would pick a woman anyway), or that the women are incredibly hot? wich would raise the question, why are the males so ugly and the women aren't?

then you have the issue with the bodytypes, how many would take a heavy woman? i for one think no-one likes the look of those bodybuilding women, who, in fact, look like bodybuilding males.

you can complain about females not being available, or you could try understanding why they left females out.

oh and further more, i suspect people would want to be able to adjust the briastsize too, and that would mean guys would make a female character where they would max the briastsize, and females would start complaining because it doesn't look so good.

ah yes, another point, with SMART, it would get a whole lot more troublesome to get the female models right while their climbing. you can't expect them to find women of all briastsizes to climb up stuff to see how it looks like when such a woman climbs up something can you?