i read in an interview that from the beginning there weren't going to be any in the game. i'm also going to assume that some modder somewhere will make a mod that changes this. my question is that if someone does this well enough, do you think that maybe somehow they would make it an official patch? i know this isn't really ever done, but i feel like it should be.

Just a quick heads up - the last time we had a thread about this topic it had difficulty staying on topic and remaining civil. In particularly several people made comments that offended female members here. While I think it's OK to try this discussion again let me make it clear right now that these problems cannot persist. Comments that disparage or marginalize female gamers will be deleted, and most likely result in a warning.

Everyone is entitled to their opinion provided it's made civilly. However given that people unhappy with Splash Damage's decision received more flak than was warranted last time I'm asking those who support the move take extra care when discussion this. In fact, its best if this doesn't become a tug of war over whether Splash Damage's decision was a good one or not.

It's true that we won't be able to make female characters. There were several issues that went in to the decision but it seems the deciding one was art resources: allowing players a gender choice would double the amount of art the characters required. Well, perhaps more correctly (since doubling the amount of art wasn't feasible) it would halve the character options for either gender. Splash Damage decided they'd rather have one gender and devote all of their character art to giving that one options.

I understand Splash Damages reasoning, heck I bring the same explanation up for why adding multiplayer to an Elder Scrolls or Fallout game would be problematic, as it would divert lots of resources away from other parts of the game. However I'm personally hoping that Brink does well enough that Splash Damage can consider including women later on, either as extra content in Brink or an initial part of a sequel.



As for modding this option in . . . this would either require a monumental effort (creating tons of art resources) or it would leave women all looking largely the same. The former is probably unfeasible unless a fair number of people work on this for a considerable amount of time. For such a mod to work the final product would probably have to be a cohesive whole which makes it difficult to accomplish as a community effort - but not impossible. Even if a team could pull this off there are the other contributing issues to Splash Damages decision to drop women, like equalizing hit boxes between male and female mods. This certainly isn't an insurmountable hurdle but it does complicate an already difficult task.

It sounds to me then like it is more of a question of whether or not Splash Damage would be willing to pick up user created data. I am sure modders will come up with female characters, especially given the amount of conversation this topic has already gotten. I think we just have to hope that someone does a good job with it and that it gets run with. If the community wants female characters, it is in their hands.

Well hey the user created data might make this possible, and you can't forget that maybe there might be a sequel(lol). But if it was made wouldn't it just be for a PC? Or would 360 and PS3 users be able to use it as well? If there were to somehow be women in the game?

My guess is it would just be PC. The consoles are not really open for mods you know.

User created content would be difficult to implement, animations now depend on hours and hours in a motion capture studio getting each jump, mantle and slide just right, remember males and females have different physiques and therefore entirely different movement. You can't just put lipstick and a bra on existing characters.

I disagree, you certainly could just paste it over. I said it was possible, not that it would be good.

Splash Damage only does good, ok is for other companys' games

Lol! I sure hope so! I think that it looks brilliant and I have no doubt that the game will be premium.

Although I am disappointed that I can't pick the gender of a character, the reasons behind it have been discussed by devs, and the additional work to create a separate body type, plus whatever else would be needed to add female playable characters would add way too much time to development at this point. I suspect that if the developer had to pull back on going down the adding female PCs to the game, that it might be way too big of a modding project. But who knows.

So... ya know, it's not the first game that's all testosterone. :shrug: If a game is good, I'll still play it. I do like having a choice when possible for my player character, but it's not always possible.

Don't worry, once Brink hits stores I can pretty much see a funding steam to quake the Niagara Falls into a trickle. Once they have this success then they can easily triple the staff and introduce female characters along with a few more hundred customization options and what the heck, another dozen weapons. Fair enough they might not just 'patch' it in but I can see it coming in the form of an expansion, and in the unlikely even that they fail to introduce them then they are missing out on two massive markets: Female gamers and guys who like to play as Lara Croft clones. But if they don't; hey TF2 was and is still a great success despite the lack of customization options, if you have faith in what Splash Damage has already done then give them the benefit of the doubt, after all a smart company makes good games, while a great company looks to its fans to make historical games!

(And I do apologize for the TF2 comparison but hey, its the truth!)

Their reasoning is very sound and makes a lot of sense. If they could stop time and develop the game so that graphics would not be outdated by the time they made the game EVERYTHING they wanted then the game would be epic, but since they cant then you have to cut corners somewhere. And to be honest this was the best place to do it, it saves a ton of work for something that does not really change the game mechanics at all.
I am kind of glad that they did not put females in, because I am rather sick of seeing huge chested women running around in a little more than armored panties fighting in full fledged battle sequences just so some 12 year old can "get happy" while hes playing a game. If you want that there are websites for it, I don't want it while I am blowing crap up.
If they did make females I want them to be realistic, not porm stars. Perfect example is the l4d franchise, they are all reasonable looking characters.
But unfortunately the style of the game characters (extremely ripped slightly cartoonish dudes) would most likely meant that we would end up with the pormstar battle women. So overall I am not too upset over the fact.

All in all I am not too disappointed.

I'd play a game that was all girls if it was good enough. Hell I picked the siren in borderlands because I liked it, didn't bother me that it was a girl. Im a guy by the way.

haha, cant deny u there, I enjoyed borderlands the most as the siren too...and i too am a guy. I too would play a game thats all girls if it was good enough....i played Mirros Edge, it was different, it was good

Worth trying the demo?

dont listen to the people who say that playing the demo 6-8 times is the same as playing the game itself. Mirrors edge really was a different experience, it was the first game i had played that didnt require me to kill every person i see...and the time attack is really addicting, it was like a racing game, every milla second u nocked off was an achievement in its own. The game was worth buying

I'll try it later thanks.

Definitely try the demo, It is the closest thing to SMART in existence.

Is it an FPS?

i borrowed it didnt do to much shooting it was FP though. Loved it and it is on my to get list.
there is a lot on that list im so broke lol
another think i love this smiley :cookie:

I don't mind that there aren't any female characters, I mean, you couldn't be a woman in the original Fable and that wasn't too much of a problem.

i would of loved to make a large heavy woman, similar to TF2 heavy tho i've said it before, i will say it again.

Women should be in the kitchen anyway, not fighting. Amirite? :whistling:


I joke ofc, the devs have already said that women would add a huge workload to the development. It's a shame as you can imagine every sort of person wanting to get involved in the fight but realistically it would be a huge amount of work.

Actually, me and a few friends run a Fable fan-site and thanks to modding you can be a female character in the original Fable. =)