"Something like spears is really cool, it's just something with where we're putting our time with the other weapons. It just didn't make the cut right now." -Todd (from the GI podcast)

That's such a massive contradiction that your entire argument MUST be snip. It just has to be. Nobody who hates a game with as much passion as your post had spends 1000 hours of their lives devoted to it.

You's shouldn't give a Morrowind really devoted fan unable to accept change 9 pages on his flame thread

It should just be "0 replies", and slip lifeless away from the first page.

I played Oblivion first and thought it was really good, compared to other games I'd played before it was totally different. I got Morrowind a year later, and it's a completely different game. I understand what the OP's problem is, but you can't expect Bethesda to keep making the exact same sort of game over and over again. As a company they'd want to keep changing, otherwise they would make no money and get boring. As for the DLC issue, I agree about horse armour, I mean why? But Frostcrag and Shivering Isles were great! Shivering Isles especially. The whole voice actors to replace reading because kids are too lazy really annoyed me. The voice acting added immersion in my opinion. Also who says teenagers can't be bothered with reading? "The guys who played daggerfall were a mature audience" I'm sure when Daggerfall came out it attracted teenagers too, rather than just a "mature audience". But I'm not saying that Skyrim will be the best game ever, who knows, it might be terrible, but comparing it to earlier games makes no sense as it will be a completely new game, heading in a new direction depending on what Bethesda want to achieve with it.

I bet OP buys the game.

I've read some of the comments below.
Holy crap!
When I came here, I really didn't expect so much [censored] on this forum (at least not on TES sub-forum) thinking that TES players have some brains actually.
Here OP gives some valid criticism about TES series since Morrowind (my favorite game ever) was 1000 times better than Oblivion.
Yes, it has it's minor flaws, but it was OK since they were nothing compared to all the good stuff in it.
Oblivon, on the other hand, didn't make almost any advancement at all.
Only things that are improved are graphics (even though Morrowing graphics were perfectly fine, so it's not such a big step forward) and combat system (gives you special moves and stuff, still, nothing too amazing).
Actually, only relatively major improvement in Oblivion over Morrowind is ability to make poisons and use them on your weapons and that's that.
Morrowind had a way much better story and way much better way to tell it.
Whole world had way more variety and actually felt as a huge epic world, while Oblivion is just almost same peace of landscape copy pasted over and over.
And look at the adventure in Morrowind and Oblivion.
In Oblivion, you just transport from one part of the map to other by clicking on the spot where you want to be (yeah, great stuff for game who wants to keep it real and imesive as much as possible, not to mention that it makes a large and epic world of Oblivion totally pointless) and have a compass that will lead you and show you where to go (mmmm, now that's some adventure; wonder if Indiana Jones had one of those).
Morrowind, on the other hand, was taking you into a real adventure.
You had to listen what people say and not just fast forward whole speech and then follow your compass as a good boy, you had to go and explore that huge and epic world full of wonders and still had a meaning of fast transportation in case you don't want to walk, you had more skills and were able to choose more skills when creating your character what would make you able to create something more unique for you, you were able to become a werewolf or a vampire if you wanted.
Morrowind was a promised land for me.
Shame I never played Daggerfall, but it was before my time (even though, I still might play it anyway).
Also, game should not depend on mods to make it better.
I'm not paying for a game that will demand to be moded by me or some other people to make it actually good. -.-
Also, it would be about time that TES series gets some kind of official Co-Op/Multiplayer.
They experiment with so much stuff and end up only getting worse.
Why don't they give a shoot to Co-Op/Multiplayer (it could do wonders, you know).
And to all of you Co-Op/Multiplayer haters, shut your traps right now!
If you are telling me that none of you wouldn't play TES in Co-Op/Multiplayer mode, then you are a big fat liar and should go to rant somewhere else.
I still have to see how will Skyrim look, but I have my strong doubts about it.

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Check this video out.
It pretty much sums up my feelings toward Oblivion.

Lol you can't suggest multiplayer and then tell those opposing to "shut their traps" - that's not how a discussion board works, just a heads up
And honestly, hand over heart, Brownie promise and everything, I wouldn't use a multiplayer option.

Oh man, I agreed on almost everything you said about Morrowind but you lost me here:

If you played Oblivion for a 1000 hours plus, you cannot have thought it was that boring.

I did. I never finished it. I thought Oblivion was boring and flat. As repetitive as Daggerfall, but without the excuse that is was all randomely generated. IMO, Oblivion was a failure.

But it wasn't a failure because Betheda did not try. It was a failure because they attempted something new, and did not succeed.

So along come Fallout 3. And no, it was ~not~ Oblivion with guns. It is such a ridiculous statement. First of all, it had interesting characters. Moira, Three Dogs, Dear old Papa, just to mention a few. I can't remember a single character from Oblivion, where FO3 was full of hillarious, scary, amusing, impressive and ~memorable~ characters. Gone was the stupid influence wheel, and instead you simply had to choose a good line. Great! The world was interesting to explore, and without having bandits with ebony-armour, or whatever the FO3 equivalent would be, jumping you.

Now, Bethesda, that is Todd Howard specifically, states that where they feel their earlier games have always delievered in freedom and looks, they admit that other companies (Bioware?) have done a far better job at creating NPCs, and interacting with said NPCs. That is what I want to hear! That is what I'd always dreamed off. A freeform RPG, filled with the sort of characters you usually only find in extremely restricted games. Wether Bethesda can pull it off remains to be seen, but I cross my fingers, and eagerly awaits 11/11/11. Until then, I am going to finish New Vegas, replay Morrowind and send my prayers to the Gods of Gaming.

P.S.

To Lithary: I'd ~never~ play a TES game in CO-OP/Multiplayer. If that makes me a "Big Fat Liar", then so be it. What a silly statement, anyway.

I agree with the OP. I'm also sceptical, and I WILL try the game before buying it.

You can hate the fact that TES4 is not as good as previous TES games, far from it. But you can still play it and try to enjoy it for what it is. I might have a couple hundred hours on it. But I'm propably not playing it after 12 years like TES2.

TES5 might, just might, be even worse than TES4, but I know I'll put some hours into it. Just to find out.

What a load of ragtag nonevent wall of text what pedegree makes you think you know best or what games can you implore to do a better job that beths. Voice dialogue is not shallow, some ppl just find it move invoking that morrowinds walls of repetitious text, I read books, I listen to people that's the way it should be. I'm incensed by the amount of people say beths panders to kids, strange they rebooted a franchise 'no' kid could have new exsisted. The games was built for every one not for you personly. You played morrowind first so it's your love child nothing will ever beat grow up and realise that, take it from some one how could play morrowind till after I played ob and there's alotmofe improved that just graphics I loved both games and am currently playing through both again at the moment, in the words of a famous puppet "I kill u" if you speel of any more antidisastablishmentarionisium against beths empire of really devoted fan greatness...

TacoScent
Just go hide somewhere dude

I would never ever use TES multiplayer. I very rarely play any multiplayer games at all. The reason I love RPGs like TES so much is they provide such an amazing single-player experience.

You're right, sorry.
All negative comments about Co-Op/Multiplayer given to me by now are just rant without any actually good comment that will make me think 'Hey, maybe Co-Op/Multiplayer isn't the best idea for TES series.'
Just whining because TES was singleplayer for all this time and they don't want it to be changed and that's that.
And all that stuff about Co-Op/Multiplayer ruining single player is bulldung.
If crappy RPG like Fable can have Co-Op/Multiplayer then why TES couldn't.
Oh, it can make changes when it comes to compass, fast travel and other crap, but Co-Op/Multiplayer, nooooo, that's a taboo here might!
The funniest thing is that I bet my balls that almost every person who is ranting against Co-Op/Multiplayer in TES would actually enjoy it and play it in case TES gets (proper) one.

Nope, it's been in development for 5 years and the sixth is coming.

Yes, I agre with you. I am 17 and started to play the series when OB came out, and it is one of the best games I have ever played. The same goes for FO3. I have played through MW and FO1 and 2 and I personally loved MW. Seeing both sides of the case I would say that OB felt a little easy, but compared to most other games of this generation it is of substantial quality. The planning and research required to make a truly powerful character is vast, especially when compared to MW where you could lvl up in a matter of hours(not extaggerating, leveled to lvl 74 in 7 hours). The quest log in MW was horrible, but I agree that the quest marker was a bit much.

In conclusion I will say that I hope Skyrim will be more hardcoe than OB, but I don't want The Elder Scrolls 3: Morrowind 2. I want The Elder Scrolls 5: Skyrim.

If you want to talk multiplayer - or the lack of it as there won't be any in this game, please use the official topic.

http://www.gamesas.com/index.php?/topic/1162506-official-discussion-of-multiplayerco-op-in-skyrim/

The graphics look terrible. I WANT DECENT GRAPHICS!

@ OP:
I can't believe what i'm reading here :facepalm:
Your entitled to your view, like everyone.
But to say you played a game for a 1000 hours, ( thats around 41 days of gameplay ) and you don't like the game
it sounds ridiculous to me.Then you complain about mods,but have obviously still used them.
Which also means you wanted to enhance your gaming experience with oblivion ,even more.
Playing a game for 41 days is,in my book,value for money.
Anyway....skyrim will be huge,no doubt about it,bigger than oblivion was.
If you don't want to buy skyrim,thats your loss,not bethesda's,they will have enough people buy the game,of that in can assure you.
I want to say more,but i ain't gunna bother.

If you have already decided that you aren't going to buy another Bethesda product, then whats the problem? They can't possibly milk you for money or waste any of your time with decisions you disagree with. You've only wasted your own time by coming here and arguing with people who ARE going to buy the game.

If you arent going to buy the game, great. Don't. That will literally solve every problem you mentioned in your original post.

Seriously.. People need to calm the f--- down. Each and everyone have their own opinion, and because of that I can really see no point of this thread. I don't think anyone here cares at all, wether you're going to buy Skyrim or not, wether you like the last couple of games Bethesda made. If you don't like it: Fine, but keep the hating at bay, no need to go and flame two games, which in my opinion are absolutely amazing.
People need to stop making all those decissions "Oh, Skyrim will svck. I didn't like Oblivion, and Fallout so I will not buy Skyrim." Seriously, stop it! You can't see into the future, can you? You don't know wether it'll svck or not, we haven't even seen a friggin' gameplay video yet!

And some of that bs I read from some of the posts, calling people who like Oblivion all sorts of not-so-nice stuff, that's just plain ridiculous. Tell me, WHY oh WHY do we fight over this LOVELY series, which we all do love? If you like Oblivion or you don't like it, it's all great, but don't start to fight. If one likes it, it won't ruin anything for the person who doesn't like it, and the other way around. Other people's opinions shouldn't ruin anything for you. Don't play games you don't like, leave that to the people who does like those game. We're all fans of the same franchise, ffs.

I imagined all of this being spoken by your avatar.

That made me lol.
Imagine the Patient Bear smacking his paw into the table, too! Kinda what I wanted to do while writing all that.

Oh if I were a mod...

Anyways seeing how that isn't happening if you didn't like Oblivion (and obviously you did), detested Fallout and aren't going to buy another Bethesda game then don't post on the forum. This forum is for the discussion of a new game by fans of the series, so at the very least move it to a general part of the forum, not a game specific section. Besides, with all of the obvious trolling, flaming and flamebaiting I'm surprised this wasn't locked when the OP told someone they were just trying to be clever and to basically QFT