Morrowind wasn't that goood!...there i said it.

You seriously made a topic like this? wow.. If it got good ratings from gaming critics, then obviously there was something good about it. Game Critics are harsh on games. Also I am 19 and still enjoy playing oblivion. I thought it was a good game. You thought it was a bad game. Just leave it at that. There is no need to make hateful topics and posts about something that didn't measure up to your expectations, especially with a game company that works hard to make a game.

To further explain why bethesda is a cash cow, look at their DLC!

When I call bethesda a cashcow, i DO NOT mean the elderscrolls series and how fast they develop games. I am talking about DLC! Most of the the DLC should have been included in the game from the start.

Think of it this way.

Todd Howard - "so hows your little addon coming along?"

bethesda guy - "pretty good almost ready to be put in the main build"

Todd Howard - "hold on, lets postpone that, wait till a month after release and then make everyone pay 10 bucks for it!"

Thats what I am talking about. If they are going to release DLC, make it full on expansions, not little tidbits.

Seriously, 1000 hours is a long [censored] to spend on a terrible game. That's more than 40 days in game, you deserve a medal. It's one thing to dislike the game, you can't please everybody, but to insult it's creators and fans like that is very distasteful, and won't get us anywhere. The elder scrolls has a much larger audience than what it did 10 years ago, so there's bound to be plenty of immature people. Oblivion was focused towards a larger audience for the console release, they wanted it so any person could jump right in the game, and just play, but to also have features for the hardcoe players. Whether that's dumbing it down, or making it user friendly can be debated, but I think it's correct to say there was some trouble balancing those aspects. You want to be user friendly, but you want the player to engage challenges and make decisions. You want the game to be easy to pick up and begin playing, but there also needs to be progression towards giving the player the incentive to take on challenges, explore, and learn. It can be tricky to balance that well, and I think Bethesda has learned a lot since Oblivion, but we'll wait and see.

I don't have much desire to go into it, but Fallout 3 is not Oblivion with guns.

Did you personally spy on them, or how did you know that? Compare their DLCs to those horribly overpriced map packs of CoD...

So you're just going to judge a game yet to come out based on a ) one game you felt was subpar to a previous of multiple games in the series and b ) a game that's only relation is that it is an RPG by the same company, though the actual content is nowhere similar?

You've said it yourself that Bethesda listens to fan input, and a lot of that showed in Fallout. No, I wasn't fancied to it myself, but there were definitely obvious improvements. It showed that Bethesda listened. The Fallout games have also shown a lot to Bethesda and every improvement from there is bound to reach Skyrim.


Mind if I get a linked source to this conversation? That'd be great.

I don't understand the hate on fallout 3..seeying that raider running towards me and me shooting his legs off..good times..good times

Tell me one company that makes like 5ish DLCs and they all are full sized worlds

Not even remotely true.

http://www.tesnexus.com/downloads/top/alltime.php

It's not most it's only 19 out 100 of the most popular mods of all time.



Bethesda already gives you the greatest game hour per dollar value on the market. They don't owe you anything, in fact I think you owe them a thank you for being the most generous developer.

Now as punishment for your insolence I shall now quote you out of context for my own amusemant.

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When Skyrim comes out, you'll buy it. And probably get all happy in the pants in the process. Mark my words.

Yes, because Fallout three had snow that did not hold radiation. Wait, Oblivion didn't have any radiation at all? That can't be right. I mean, the npc's look the same, so the game as to be the exact same, right?

I seriously laugh out loud at people like this.

I mean, Morrowind was the best thing the human mind ever came up with, so anything that is even related to it obviously svcks. It could never give Morrowind a run for its money. I mean, judging a game as it stands would just be to fair, we have to judge it by its past games. Fallout 3 was obvously Oblivion with guns, I mean radio's? Really? That's so overdone..., Obivion's main quest obviously delt with purifying water in Tamriel. Wait, it didn't? You're wrong, cause the npc's look the same. If the npc's look the same, the games obviously the exact same thing, just with guns. Wait, it isnt? Well, you're dumb, cause you're wrong. I've obviously right, cause I've spent thousands of hours on a game that I hate.

In all seriousness here, people need to use their eyes. Radiant ai, random encounters, dragons, its obviously just Oblivion with guns. God forbid that we use the same engine, because then we'd just be copying the same game in a different setting. Dragons are so overdone, Skyrim jsut wan'ts to make money, like every other company in the world. That's so dumb, it just doesn't make sense. Who wants to make money anyway?

If we can punch people in Oblivion, we can't do that in fallout. It just wouldn't make sense. Who punches people anyway?

So how old were you when you started playing Morrowind? Could this have anything to do with the immersion and getting LOST in the world? I wouldn't recommend knocking the "whiny teens", we are all fans of the series (except you by the sound of it) and the younger gamers plough a lot of money into the industry. There is no reason why the game shouldn't be more easily accessible, this doesn't mean its catering for the "laziest teens". The game will not remove the main elements that make it so special, it is not trying to be a COD and break all selling records. Beth have a proud record of making games that break records in different ways. There games continue to sell over 4 or 5 years. Morrowind still sells now! And when they make a game, it is game of the year, always!

I think you can be rest assured that this game will be more like the beloved Morrowind than Oblivion, while takeing many possitive aspects of Oblivion and things that worked with Fallout. The game will be brilliant and i am willing to bet my house on it.

So far there's nothing wrong with the OP or the issue they raise. There is, however, plenty wrong with some of the posts of the other people in this thread. Stop with the flaming and flamebaiting. Thanks.

Well my PS3 can't handle Oblivion and after something between 1 and a half week (happened a while ago) to 1.5 years my PS3 quits never to start again... but the good thing is that the garuante for it never runs out its a two year one but because whatever they give me gets destroyed between 1 and a half week and 1.5 years and the people I bought it from can't fix it they have to give me a new one...
...and a new garuante...

and to the person who started this thread: I've played Oblivion far more than any other game probably 900 DAYS 2-12 hours each... I like Morrowind (probably 160 DAYS 5-20 hours each (got it around 160 days ago...) much better but am slightly anoyed by all the bugs in Daggerfall...

I hate to break it to you guys, but, as harsh as it is, most of what this guy says is true. I wouldn't go so far as to not purchase Skyrim, but I still fear that BGS is definitely heading in the "sell out" direction, unfortunately.

All you who deny much of what this guy says either don't possess the insight to observe the patterns, or are simply have fallen for the gradual but steady rise of the latest gimmicks of the gaming world. Just look at the trends, all the evidence is there , and I blame much of it on the changing nature of the console market. I know many of you were introduced into the Elder Scrlls series through Oblivion, so you think it's all fine and dandy, but that's simply because you've never known anything else. I looked forward to Oblivion with all my heart, and I was let down. In my eyes, the simplification (or consolization, if you will), almost butchered the series beyond redemption. I can only hope Bethesda wakes up soon, rather than taking the safe route simply to amount greater sales.

http://lionhead.com/

Agree 100%

I think, if you're like me, you are concerned for the fate of the series because you love it so much.

My Ducati 848 broke down 2 weeks after i got it brand spankin new (electric problem) and I had to wait a month (in the summer... In canada) for the dealer to get the part for it to be ridable. I love how Ducatis look, and maybe in a few years depending on how reviews and recalls are, I might consider purchasing another one. I have other things to with my time besides games (2006 was 5 years ago, im 21 now) so I had way more time tp spend on games. Unless it gets some raving review from many sites, I won't buy it. I might play it if someone I know allows me too but wont spend the money myself. Like I said I have other interests/hobbies that keep me busy.

Also for all the ppl saying I don't know crap blah blah blah, i played yur oblivion over 1000 hours collectivy on PC and 360. I do have some semblance of what I am talking about, so maybe you should give my words and opinion more merit, even if it is different from what you believe or not your opinion. Its funny I havnt flamed any one of you, yet look at how hostile and defensive you all are! Calm down ffs.

Again simple solution: Don't buy the DLC

I don't purchase DLC from any game developer anymore (unless it's a GOTY package and even then I might wait until it's used and like $30 or less). It's not necessarily because I think that they should have added it in the main game in the first place (though often it does seem like they could have) but because I don't feel like I'm missing out on anything special and often I really can't justify spending the money on DLC like horse armor.

However, I really don't think Bethesda is out to completely screw you (at least not intentionally ) and I think your imagination is far off from reality.

You may want to take a look at those credits again champ

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Talk about easy money. Of course the post is going to be clever...this is kind fo a skyrim forum. Not a fps forum, a forum for rpgs, you know...fans?

By the way, telling a mod that his post is being "clever" probably isn't the best idea.

I'll wait for mods to fix the game...luckily i did this with oblivion.

Hahahahah, oh sir peter moly-w/e the fk. i will never buy anything from him after fable 2. My big save game ended with a game breaking bug, that was never fixed. I would personally punch that guy in the face, assuming I knew i could get away with it with no charges, just for all the people he screwed over and disappointed. Im sure people would rejoice. I didnt follow any hype about fable 3, and wont ever buy any future product from lionhead.

Every game will have [censored] that go "OMGAWESOME!" every time the company makes a peep. Don't fault the company for that.

And who said they made everything voiced and shallow to appease ADHD kids, as opposed to making an honest attempt at creating a more immersive environment? I'm 31 years old, and have been playing games since before the NES came out. If you were to ask me whether I preferred Morrowind's dictionary-dumps or Oblivion's speech-o-matic, I'd easilly pick Oblivion. This is not to say there weren't any flaws with Obliivon's dialog, but they are problems that can be overcome, and it adds immensly to the atmosphere of the game.

Don't go assuming that change is a result of trying to reach hyperactive teens. Especially considering FO3 and Skyrim are/will be M-rated. The Elder Scrolls games don't go for "incremental improvements", so much as they go for re-imaginings and do-overs. Just because something worked in the previous game isn't a good enough reason, on its own, to do the same exact thing in the sequel. They start the design fresh each time, trying to find what will work for the game they're now making, taking past complaints and criticisms into account. They don't stick to the old design like glue, and only tweak it in response to complaints. They're trying to make Skyrim, not Morrowind 3 or Daggerfall 4.


Good and bad are extremely subjective, nor are they black and white. A good game doesn't mean its without flaws, and a bad game doesn't doesn't mean it has no redeming qualities. I find Oblivion and Morrowind both to be good games, but each have their flaws (never played enough of Fallout 3 to get a good feel for it; I just don't like the setting).


If you want to see a company milking for money, look at EA and Blizzard/Activision. At least Oblivion felt like a complete (if flawed) game, which is more than I can say about Dragon Age. The good stuff (KotN, SI) didn't come 'til much later, and were not needed to properly experience "Oblivion".

I would agree that we'd be better off having a low number of full-sized expansions, than a large number of small DLC. But as long as the base game on its own feels complete, I can't complain.

I'm just glad this isn't a mmorpg so I never ever have to speak/read about/interact with you