Well, the OP said he spent 1000 hours playing Oblivion, but didn't get his money's worth. What does that mean? Let's take a look.

Now, assuming he bought Oblivion at launch at $60, then bought all the DLC at full-price, you're looking at a price of roughly $116 (actually a little less, but I rounded up for the DLC prices to make calculations easier). Divide that by 1000 hours played, and the OP spent roughly 12 cents for every hour spent playing Oblivion.

Personally, I think 12 cents an hour to play Oblivion with all the official plug-ins (except maybe Horse Armor, but Bethesda definitely learned not to do stuff like that anymore) is totally worth the money, but thats just me.

So this.

I think you'll find that most people understand why you made this topic. I think you'll find that there are a lot of people who agree with you. But this sort of thread has been made plenty of times already. Even people who agree with you might find that tiresome. Just as it's reasonable for you to expect other people to at least try to have some sort of appreciation for your perspective, you might want to think a little more about why it is that people get frustrated with these sorts of posts.

:shrug:

I guess you're too old to be catered to anymore.

Look I know your going to buy it. You know your going to buy it. Stop fooling yourself into self-pity. You're just upset like the rest of us that we have to wait till November to get our hands on the game. Take a breath, step back from the keyboard and focus on something more productive than this thread.

Thats like alex jones believing in every single conspiricy that comes his way. Seriously at some point you gotta be like, okay, thats kind of stupid.

Some people might understand why he made it, but nowhere near most, I'm afraid. Most people are ignorant, unaware that there is a problem present, blissfully unaware that these are dark times for the Elder Scrolls series...

People need to see the truth, they need to be exposed to the heart of the problem here. And the problem is not solely with Bethesda, no, it is occurring through pretty much all of the video game, perhaps even all the entertainment industry in general.

so why don't you wake up aand asmell the bacon , and go back to you're precious morrowind while the rest of us go in the future

Why do you think Morrowind 2011 was created?

Exactly. Things are getting easier and easier, when I play oblivion and fallout 3, although Fallout 3 more, I feel like it was made for someone less intelligent than myself. Its like the things they make for ppl who dont want to walk, you see those enormous 400 lb people on those 2 wheeled scooters because they are too lazy to walk. They ditched deep text rich diolouge because kids were too lazy to read it and complained. What is next?

That was just one example btw, so dont pretend thats the only thing I have thought of.

That is so opinionated it hurts my eyes. To me, Fallout 3 was fun. A lot funner than past games. The truth...lolz, opinion after opinion. Pokemon and DragonBall Z are real game milkers. I just can't see how TES is a game milker. I'm such a huge fan of Pokemon and DBZ...Goku...Gohan...Vegeta...golden spiky hair, I loved every second of DBZ. The games however kill it for me. Skyrim however...I dont' see a dbz problem here. Its different, not stuck in a rut like my other two fav's....

I love Oblivion, but it does have some glaring gameplay issues, horrible faces for people, and an overall lack of weapon variety. I think they resolved at least 2 of those issues so I'm sure it'll be a great game.



The arrogance of this comment aside, I do need to agree. Bethesda is run by ZeniMax and ZeniMax a corporation and it is their job to make a game people will buy so they can meet their bottom line, it's not their job to make a great game. Since a majority of the gaming market is dominated by idiots, they need to make a game that is idiot-compatible and as we know idiot-compatible games are not always the best games. Though that may be a bleak reality, that doesn't mean they can't make the game good. Though I'm sure Skyrim will have it's pitfalls, I'm sure lots of work has been done to improve upon the franchise, and work out a lot of the major kinks Oblivion introduced, while still keeping Oblivion's good aspects.

Oh, I'm sorry. I guess I'm not a super-special enough snowflake to hate on a game I've never played over changes to game mechanics that I've never experimented with, based on a handful of articles which may or may not be in my language. I guess I'll just stand over here with the other plebeians, then, shall I?

Nobody is denying the greatness of Oblivion here. However, OP and I feel that Oblivion was lacking. Yes, on the outside is was shiny and beautiful, and perhaps more "streamlined" and accessible, however, compared to Morrowind, Oblivion is seriously lacking.

Among the many little things, like pauldrons, crossbows, spears, 6 joinable factions down from 13, level scaling, fast travel, there was something even greater than all that missing from Oblivion, which Morrowind had in abundance. It was lacking in substance, or in "soul" - the fundamental thing which gives any piece of work its artistic value.

Lacking in some Areas. I played Morrowind after I played Oblivion, so I must admit I started as an Oblivion fan.


But I did enjoy Morrowind more; the intense and foreign world, the sprawling variety of gameplay opportunities. But wandering around the idyllic forests of cyrodil does also have it's charms. I hope they can merge the best aspects of all the elder scrolls games to make Skyrim.

I'm not speaking out of unjustified speculation. I'm basing my inferences on past events, such as the progression from Morrowind to Oblivion to Fallout. The greater patterns are hard to miss, and one must be pretty blind to miss them

*smacks head* this is getting redicilous.. XD

On the inside, it's combat system was so much better...I mean...stop. Just stop comparing Morrowind to Oblivion. They are two completely different games, the only simmilar thing being the title and the topic. Morrowind was better with A and B, but Oblivion was better with C and D. The comparing seriously needs to stop. They are two different games. Skyrim will be the next instalment of a different game, that can stand all on its own. For all we know, Skyrim may nail A and D, but fail B and C. We need to be able to play the finished product first, before fair deductions can be made.

This, good story horrible gameplay.

That's pretty insulting. People who happen to like Oblivion for what it changed from Morrowind are ignorant and blissfully unaware? What, is it not conceivably possible that there are honest-to-goodness RPG players that happen to prefer Oblivion? I'm not sure how else I'm supposed to take that.

Care to explain?



To make a movie anolog; Oblivion is the big blockbuster hit with fancy effects and an expensive actor lineup that will be forgotten in 10-20 years. Morrowind would be like the cult classic that is constantly praised for it's quality design, and remembered forever for it's artistic ambition.

Like I said, I started with Oblivion, and I love Oblivion, but opinions completely aside, Morrowind is clearly a much better game. It is the product of grueling over the hot map editor to create an exciting, dangerous, and diverse world. Oblivion is a very pretty game, but at heart it has taken a lot of cheap turns. Aside from Morrowind's world design itself, It's got an amazing story and a huge number of side quests, most of which feel worthwhile doing. A lot of stuff in Oblivion felt underdone and tacked on, I never got that feeling when playing Morrowind. Too much effort was put into making Oblivion more like a movie than a story.

What I took issue with was your comments about "ignorance". I played Morrowind, Oblivion and Fallout 3, and I enjoyed all three titles. While they each possessed flaws, I could at least get a feel for the direction that BGS were attempting to move, and I did see improvement. Sometimes there would be retrograde in areas - I definitely found Morrowind's setting and plots to be better developed - but that doesn't mean the whole progression was a negative thing, nor do I believe Bethesda is going to create TES VI: CoD just to appeal to console gamers. I disagree with your conclusions, and I take issue with your suggestion that my disagreement is due to ignorance.

Good day to you, sir!

Why should I stop comparing Morrowind to Oblivion? Isn't comparison what everything considered "good" in video games (and much else) arises from? - by comparing one thing to another? Of course I am allowed to compare the two. Yes, they are two drastically different games, as any rational minded person would expect them to be, however it makes no logical sense for the games to progress in some areas while simultaneously digressing in others. They should take what the previous game had and improve and expand upon it, not seemingly arbitrarily pick and choose this feature and that while cutting others for the sake of "streamlining". I want to see these games progress as a whole.

While Oblivion was a step back in some ways, I think Fallout 3 improved upon all those things that Oblivion did wrong, so what greater pattern?

I blame the kids. :flamethrower: :cryvaultboy:
They like simple stuff like mario and cod and so game companies craft around that

The made a real gem of a game called Morrowind.

The made a good game called Oblivion, but they made some bad mistakes in the game that made a lot of Morrowind lovers disappointed, although the game brought a lot of new blood to the series fans, who were not interested in the series beforehand and were not disappointed at the game at all.

They made Fallout3 who targeted a bit different audience, but showed that they have learned from their previous mistakes and have tried to satisfy both sides of the spectrum.

The hinted about enough great new and radical features about their next game, Skyrim to keep my tingling with anticipation, and I feel it in my bones, that it would be great game.

So, I am a Morrowind lover who does not agree with OP. So there.