"Peh. Lately I have been hearing some disturbing whispers. Fighters thinking they must use the art of frail weaklings. That it makes them stupid not to. Bah, what is that all about? I have been asked recently by a another adventurer why I haven't practiced my spells! Using magic is absurd. I'll never touch the stuff and I'll always be just fine. I have seen many a mage fall dead at my boots. So let me give you a short history. In my early days when I was but a weakling I have been guilty of using the minor heal spell that I learned in my youth. I didn't use flare. While I knew of it I didn't touch it. It was too much of a drain on my Magick. Potions were scarce so I did heal. I didn't have enough Magicka to go around so as I became stronger I couldn't use better heals. I didn't need it enough! Ha ha ha. So wounds that before would have been life threatening became easy to ignore and forget about. My heal spell couldn't heal myself of these wounds so I moved more towards potions.

My potions outstripped my own ability to heal my wounds. So now what? I don't have enough to cast anything strong enough to outheal my potions and I still had a measly flare. Sure I guess I could use that but why when I can inflict more hurt with my own weapons? What good is a flare when my Axe is quicker, hits harder, and every Troll laughs at Flare? There is my proof! Magic is useless I say. My own strength and skill outgrew my ability to heal and deal damage with what the elves call an "Art." People think you must be stupid to not use Magic. Not at all! I simply find it preferable to get in my enemie's face and see the fear in his eyes up close and personal. Ever had a Mage cast at you from a distance? It's so fun to evade! And when you get close they attempt to run. It always makes me laugh because with such frail bodies there's no way they can outrun me. So my fellow warriors. Forget about Magic! You don't need it. Rely on your own strength and cunning and I promise ya it'll get you through just fine.

Oh and if you have an enchanted weapon just find another weapon with soul trap. I don't know how exactly it works but I don't need to. I know if I smack them with this other Axe I have it traps their soul when I kill them with my main Axe. Magic is not needed I just can't repeat that enough."

The point of this post is for those looking to roleplay. Many people don't seem to know how to stick with just melee. Feeling forced to learn Magic. As you can see, my Orc feels no compulsion. While he is guilty of using the minor heal spell he advanced quicker than the "Restoration" spell did and therefore had no reason to pursue higher spells or more practice. His potions outranked it in terms of usefulness. Some people have this idea that a character who doesn't use Magic or doesn't know how to use Magic to be of low intelligence. What if they simply don't trust Magic? What if they find it unnatural? What if their personal beliefs forbid it? Further more in my Orc's case he prefers to simply dodge the spells as he advances on them. Enjoying the notion that his opponent is becoming more aware and scared as the big heavily armored Orc is closing the distance while all their shots miss. That does require some form of intelligence or at least cunning.

So if you're one of the few who want a Warrior but can't come up with a reason to ignore Magic. Just remember the Anonymous Orc's words of wisdom to his fellow fighters.

Heddvild the Nord answers:

When I was a young one, they called me "Heddvild the Small." I'm big now, and I wear fur, and I carry a Dwarven Claymore, and they still call me "Heddvild the Small."

I used to think as you do about Magic. "It's stupid!" says I. "Mages are stupid."

I still do. Their heads roll on the ground, just like anyone else's, when you cut them off, and they don't even bother to cover them with helmets.

Mages are stupid.

Great arguments!

From the desk of Sir Rugrat gro-Shurgak, son of Lord Rugdumph and Knight of the White Stallion:

I can see the demerits in your agreement. But I would not be so quick to remiss the uselessness of magic. You say yourself that you yield a second axe with a soul-trap enticement. What is that if it is not magic? The use of spells is not the soul detriment of a mage. Some have been known to carry staphs or to summon base courtesans from the Netherlands.

I agree that refinance on such things can weaken you. But, in my excrement, I have discovered that the abuse of magic can sometimes be a good thing. I bring to your intention the case of the will o’ wisp. Despite the strength I abscess in yielding my silver warhammer, I cannot kill them fast enough before they do envious damage to my attitudes! In such cases I find that a spell or an endangered weapon can be of great help. I guess the point that I would attribute to this adversation is that, yes, mages are stupid. But you would be dismiss in remissing them.

-R

Lol, that is THE weirdest thing I've read all day. It makes no sense but is hilarious =)

"Bah. I agree with using Magical weaponry but not casting a spell myself. Spells are for the weak. A magic axe is just like using a sharper axe.. but with fire on it. You won't catch me flinging spells about. I'm no good at it and I admit that. Much better at smashing skulls. Give me a powerful axe or a heavy hammer any day. Mages are only useful for making good armor and weapons better at killing them. If Magic faded away I'd still be strong and what of they? Peasants they'll all be."

By the way. I enjoy how much thought you put your posts together. If they lose whoever wrote the dialogue for Rugdumph they should hire you in his stead.

Heddvild replies:

"Yeah, but Orcs are stupid, too. Will o' wisps are shining like a lighthouse, telling you to go the other way."



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No it makes perfectly sense from the orc's point of view, for him magic is a feature, he use heal to restore minor damage, not very effective but it take care of the grazes. He find magic boring and mages are snobs. Yes someone might show him some useful spells like telekinetic, but he would again see it as an utility, useful he is not interested in how it work same way most people are not interested in how a TV remote work.

Zaria however would see anybody who are not interested in the cost balance between a fire damage 10 for 5 second and a fire damage 50 spell a moron, her comment about the SI gatekeeper "he was easy to hit".

Silvonwe taps the end of her staff on the floor and clears her throat:

"Here. Taste this, fools." She casts Summon Lich, and Invisibility.

By Azura! This is THE funniest post I have read for the 1 and a half year I have spent on these forums. I always loved Rugdumph's dialogue, and this is even better! :tops:

I think Phoss was referring to Destri's post.

From the Desk of Sir Rugat gro-Shurgak, son of Lord Rugdumph and Knight of the White Stallion:

It is truly a blessing to read such ineffectual degrade. In the day to day disbarment of my duties to Leyawiin, it is rare for me to come across those who share my pension for discord of an ineffectual nature. To my unanimous Orsimer friend I would say that the deception of a magic axe as being ‘just like a sharper axe . . . but with fire on it’ caused me to nearly disembowel myself with laughter! To the brevitatious Heddvild, I would say that you are correct; most of the Orsimer borne to the pheasant class are not what you would call interrogative. But those of us borne to the gentrified class can endanger creed words with any who now live. And, as one of such, I take acceptance to your cruel words. As for the exultant points brought forth with such tumescence by Zaria; I would say that you strike me as being most remorseful. Anyone who berates their own spells must be! I endanger that your understating of magic far recedes my own. Were it not for my betrayal to the fair Mazoga, I might be consumed into making your estrangement.

And as to the strange excrementations of Nutimik, I say thank you . . . and I will pass word of your admonission to my father.

-R

My name's Buffy. I'm level 20. My strength and endurance are both 30, and my armor rating is about. . . um, 6. Oh, and I won't touch a melee weapon. I agree that magic should be for the weak - like me! :dance:

I generally agree with the OP and other posters. A pure melee can be a fun way to dispatch enemies. And avoiding magic makes things more interesting.

However, I thought it might be helpful to get a mage's perspective. The following is from an accomplished but reclusive Altmer Mage. I hesitate to post for obvious reasons. But it may spark discussions, so here it goes:



Again the above should not be viewed as my own but from the quoted High Elf.

Heddvild replies:

"Tell Mr. High Stuffit that I will ignore his clannfear, and bounce my hammer off his pointy little head."

Anonymous Orc

"I have slain many a Clanfear. I'll enjoy picking my teeth with his spine if that's the best he can do. For those who think invisibility is the best you might want to think otherwise. Thank your elven friends for crafting Night Eye rings and amulets to help us strong guys in finding you."

Ummm, the Anonymous Orc does not seem to realize that night eye will not help you find an invisible person. It appears the high elf had a point...

"It works for Chameleon which is the only scary one. Invisibility will wear off in time or when he casts again. Once cornered he'll die like the rest and good riddance. I meant detect life anyway. I don't know the correct term of these things but I have the one that makes hidden people go all glowy. Ha ha ha. Night eye is the one that makes places go bright and blue..ish. Don't got that but that would be a useful trinket too."

From the desk of Rugrat gro-Shurgak, son of Lord Rugdumph and Knight of the White Stallion:

To the estimated Angorynn – Sorcerer Adept,

You are an Altmer, I resume? Your first mistake is the consumption that all of the prodigy of the Aedra make; that all other races are somehow of lesser recount. Have you convicted yourself that you alone amongst denigrates of Nirn are familial with the con-science of metareal conjugation? I was interdicted to it long ago by my father when he first taught me to abuse the language!

I know that your kind are indicted into the abuse of the mundane arts at an early age. I feel that is to your determinate. I do not deny the power incoherent in your abuse of magic, but there is a place for the sweaty pursuits as well. What will you do when you are addled with a silence spell while said barbarian is still permutating toward you? What will you do in the unfurnishable event that your limbs have been severated from your body? I engender that you will have a difficult time casting then! Do not be so quick to judge what you receive as the so-called ‘lesser races’. We may not progress your recumen with the mundane. But, in our offense, we do not silence as easily.

-R

Silence spell on a pure mage? Assuming the question is not rhetorical, the answer is a dispel potion (that every mage wisely carries of course).

A pure warrior (remember, alchemy is magic) is absolutely possible, very doable and wonderful testimony to the truism: 'Life is tough; its tougher when you're stupid.' :cookie:

The following is from Michael, the pure Breton Mage. (my character) it is a passage from his journal.


"Bah! So many of my fellow mages are stuck up snobs, and of course, being a Breton myself, I am stereotyped the same way by other men and mer. Why do my fellow guild mates seem to think themselves higher of the "lesser" races, as they call them. Simply because they know some cheap, parlor trick? I may be a mage, but I think no higher of myself then I do of an Orc, or a Nord, or a Redguard! The ignorance! Damn them! Many a times have a been in an Ayleid ruin and have been called Breton trash by Orsimer, or been told, "Bow before me Breton scum!" by the Nordic peoples. I overheard the gossip of two Mage's guild scholars, criticizing the military for their barbaric nature, saying "The least they could do is be Battlemages!" Bah! While I will say the blade has never been my suit, I find nothing wrong with those who sue it! Some simply don't trust magic, or it goes against their religion, much like the Redgaurds. I will admit that I will choose a nice shock destruction effect, as the resulting carnage pleases me a bit, over a sword. Ha ha, a little bit of savage nature in me! Many a day I find myself in my study, reading on various types of magic, and again, overhearing my fellow guild mate's stereotypical vulgar nature. Hmm, perhaps I will anonymously send this journal entry to the council of mages at the Arcane University. I will rest on it overnight.

Yours in confidence,

Mage's Guild Wizard, Michael

Every time i read the anonymous orc and rugrat gro-shurgak's posting i imagine them having heavy scottish accents!! As if the dialogue wasn't funny enough, this makes it Frickin hilarious!!! Good writing.

Now,

Halken says,

"Indeed you warriors are fabled for your strength and vigor, while nary a mage can lift a stone, can they? Just as You can not fathom the complexities of the arcane mysteries that they so easily grasp! So then, tell me, what shall either of you do when magic meets cunning and manueverability? When speed and sure-footedness strike you from the shadows, a well aimed blade at your throats, will you then boast in strength or knowledge? How can ruggedness or intellect be of any use to an adversary you never knew was watching, hunting, you! Your words lack the balance of a trained mind. As you sit behind desks contemplating the benefits of your side's arguments, many an assasin is preying on thier targets. I can cast spells, yeah. I can swing a blade, yeah. But none of them will do any good without the proper implementations! No mage is adept enough to know my arrow travels in the night, closing in on his eye-ball, Muah ha ha!! No Warrior has enough armor to stop me ramming my short-blade through the joints from behind!!! What then, shall you argue, when i posses knowledge of your habits, agendas, and schedules? What strength do you have that i do not know? What weakness can i not exploit?"

"I suspect you shall have your feelings. Just know I probably already read them in the journal under your bed!!! ha ha ha ha ha!!"

Doesn't help much if the Orc (or Nord) is weilding a Silence (or Dispel) enchanted weapon.

Indeed the esteemed Sir Rugrat gro-Shurgak has a family http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Oblivion:Rugdumph%27s_Sword that is the bane of mages and bards:




Indeed, I have found Breton Mages to be quite a bit more civil and open minded than their Altmer counterparts such as the quoted Angorynn. Generally speaking of course. I have met some quite civil Altmers as well. If only others such as Angorynn felt that way.

Hail Citizens. I am Zakarius Svedlin. I do it all. Specialization is for insects.

"The truly mighty does not need the help of magic to slay an entire army of men, be it a thousand strong. Having magic fill you and letting it replace your inner strength will weaken your body and make it succumber under pittyful testings of the mortal world. Your soul needs to be pure from the taint of magic in order to truly rise to the greatness of our ancestors. Never let the magic take hold of you, let your axe do it for you as that is what it is made for. Bring glory and honor to your clan and spit on the weaklings from the other races who rely on magic to do their work for them. To keep our kin strong, you must slay your own kinsmen who have fallen for this perversion of false power."-Gorbad Ironclaw