the new things could be CHIM and/or Love, which would tie in with the Z that ada was talking about. meh, kinda too obvious though...

about the video: the opening sequence i take as a metaphor of lorkhan getting his heart ninja'd. dont take my tooth = dont take my heart.

furthermore i suspect the dance they were doing are the moves to the walkabout, and that song is the song that the mothpriests do when they 0sum. man, redguards really are the Barons of Move Like This.

the main lyrics could refer to Lorkhan's creation of the world as well as his current state... and the chorus to his remaking of it? i suppose he has to come back in some way, its impossible to get rid of the concept of space after all.


oh wait, thats not what we were suposed to anolyze it?

What is the basic building block?

In RL its particular physics related to the varying speed, size and relationships of various particles.

In the Aurbis there are little magical particles - but how do they fit together - how do they work etc ...

There's pedantic for you

And your video appears to be about the painful removal of something.

Here's a passing thought. If five is the number of completion and four is the means to achieve it, wouldn't that make the TES V the final game in the series?

The people who know what their talking about can get back to rambling now.

What's a kalpa? :confused:

*gets kicked out of the lore forums*

MK, did you ever read the Everien books by Valery Leith? Particularly mind-bending-contorting fantasy, I'm sure you'd love 'em. http://www.amazon.com/Company-Glass-Everien-Book-One/dp/0553578995/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1228514206&sr=8-1 (there are three or four in the series).

World-Eating. Nom nom nom. I like the Ouroborous idea. But, maybe instead of eating its tail, it is eating its head. Yeah, try to picture that. :wacko:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kalpa_(time_unit)

Hindus believe we're living in the "Kali Yuga" or Age of Iron, if I recall correctly. This is as opposed to a true Age of Gold. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kali_yuga

Maybe Lady Nerevar is onto something about the video; the painful removal of the tooth could be a metaphor for the deaths and chaos that a new age would mean for mortals. Something that mortals would want to avoid but would be better off for, afterward.

a http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kalpa_(time_unit) is a time measure. Interestingly it also means "practicable, feasible, possible, proper, fit, able,regulated." a random sanskrit connection: Anu appears to be the name of an insanely small subdivision of a second

if the video really is to be taken as symbolic then let me extrapolate farther. lorkhan takes a trip with his brother (akatosh? would seem to contradict the established mythos but meh) around the world, influencing as he goes. the dance is the universal truth, the walkabout, the ability to survive being devoured by Satak, CHIM. his return with the golden tooth would suggest that he will come back to us in some altered, even greater state (the return of vehk comes to mind). but really i think i am inferring too much :read:

i think the 1st flight might hold some clues :shrug:

So what term do they normally use? Renaissance? Aeon? The Aztec Suns?

Peak novelty approaches! The Wayeb is immanent! I guess we're getting a new sun, eh? I'll bring the booze.

Skipped the first three...
Yo mommy. Old Mary gets to kick ass again and the Alinor Dragon is hungry.

Well, the Dawn Era being the 'End' of the previous Kalpa rather than the beginning of this one sorta turns my conventional idea of the Kalpa cycle on its head (as I'd normally assume that the Dawn Era entailed both the end of the previous Kalpa and the beginning of this one). So, with a completely literal interpretation of this Kalpa beginning with the Merethic Era, my first assumption is to correlate a new Kalpa with a new subgradient, where I guess the 'one new thing' would be that it is a new subgradient (since everything 'before' this is nonlinear, the beginning of the Merethic Era should technically be the 'beginning' of this subgradient). However, as I'm probably rather pedantic as well, I'd guess my first assumption would be wrong... I'll try and think more when I've got some time to kill...

Still, I guess the basic 'ramification' of a literal interpretation is that it denies the Dawn Era being creation (throwing everything we know out the window), meaning the premise of the Monomyth's events being creation is wrong (where instead I guess Letters 5 & 7 of the Intercept would be creationedit: 'the beginning' ('creation' is too loaded as a word))...

What ever Martin actually was doing wit the Amulet, he didn't let us in on it.



The world is a Dragon that eats itself, and the purpose of the world is to become the Dragon (the world, everything). So from void (after the Dragon has eaten everything) to Z (the Dragon, World, Everything) means the world is waiting for a new Dragon to come and eat the World.

Martin is that Dragon!

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Bah. Scratch that, it's old cake. Gotta read Ramayan 3392 A.D. again.

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Differences: Kings, regents, prophets, fashion. Yes we can...

Elderly snow sniffing flippant Nords sitting in their retirement home "Mountain view", talking about how in the last Kalpa everything was better.

The best metaphor for the nature of time is that it's like the sweetpin in a faremyle.

Let's turn this thing electric.
Let's turn this thing electric.
Let's turn this thing electric.
Let's turn this thing electric.
Let's turn this thing electric.
Let's turn this thing electric.
Let's turn this thing electric.
Let's turn this thing electric.

Oh my god what have I done?
Do it again
All I wanted was a little fun
Do it again
Got a brain like bubble gum
Do it again
Blowing up my cranium.
Do it again

Turn off my ro-botic brain.
All my thoughts are all the same (all insane)

Paint my face and bang my drum. Throw my bone up to the sun. Bang my drum and paint my face. Pump my cave to hyperspace.

I thought time was an ocean in a storm.

Every beginning is a logical end as well. The beginning of a banana split starts with the ending of the banana.

If you are looking for a generic term for this, I believe "Extremum" is the proper choice, even if it smacks of being overy anolytical.


The concept of "beginning" is undefined in this case. "Every new day is the beginning of the rest of your life."

*cough* gettin there *cough*

"Time is the school in which we learn,
Time is the fire in which we burn."
(Delmore Schwartz)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Calmly_We_Walk_Through_This_April%27s_Day

Yeah, Mankar told us:

These were not words for the common of Tamriel, whose clergy long ago feigned the very existence of the Dawn.


EDIT: Who is, of course, the leader of the Mythic Dawn, which, he could not stress it enough, is coming again.

So, the Dawn isn't the beginning. Okay. Does that mean there were other eras before the Dawn? Maybe some cataclysm that destroyed the previous inhabitants.

...

I'm totally missing this, aren't I? :sadvaultboy: My brain isn't up to lore-wrangling tonight, sorry.

Or, if we fly with the Ouroborus idea, then the coming Dawn Mankar talks about is actually the first Dawn. Time loop, except not really... more like a loop-de-loop, it doesn't fully connect, it goes off on a new path.

That sounds about right. Also that perhaps the gods are, maybe, the previous era's inhabitants? That they really only did something for renascence, not creation? So gods as ancestors and gods as sacrifices into new life are views that are both true and literal?

Does this mean there was no Dawn and no original Creation? Just an endless series of ages being destroyed and restarted?

The gods had to live on through their children, someone had to put the idea into the minds of the people at some point in time so there will be a time when gods and offspring are together.

So who was the very first?

What will happen to the old gods? Or who does god pray too?

Sounds like that Aztec thing (sorry, I don't know the name!).

i have been instructed to forgo sentence structure and let my incoherent ramblings flow onto the canvas (oh, so cliche...) of my keyboard. any insanity herein begs to be forgiven.

if the dawn era is not creation then what is it?

A dawn which is not creation is a dusk, an end to a process and the pathway to the next. azura comes to mind immediately, as it is her plane, but a violent end is dagon's also. they are all similar enough. if it is the towers that created the world by stabilizing and removing possibility (looking inside the proverbial box and finding the very real dead cat) then it may be assumed that it is the towers/mer who created the gods, which they believe to be their fathers. end [censored] attempt at topic linkage.

if the dawn is dusk then dusk must be dawn. the end of tamriel, brought on my the destruction of the force that created it (towers) will then bring upon true creation, evolving the world into its suggested proper state. again with the letter and return to love.

all creation is subgradient, fractal, Z = (Z^2) + C. input a number, iterate, and watch it approach infinity. a schizophrenic being, one and alone, splitting himself until he is thousands. the constant C is the news of the kalpa, the value that changes subtly (or not so subtly) the nature of the beings' existence.

i return to the letter. the inhabitants of the 5th are few but great, educated in the ways of truth. it is a society in which the norms of existence have disolved into something barely tangible. who is to say they will not be the new gods?


thats me rambling. except for the 5 pound bag of gumybears today has been bad... like usual. life is but a dream, drifting on a stream...

PS. blame proweler

Sounds to me like http://www.gamesas.com/bgsforums/index.php?showtopic=921446&st=20

gods are concepts, and, barring their dissolution, should remain. even if they (and the world) dissolve they will eventually reform; love, beauty, justice, etc. are everlasting. new mortals will mantel them and become them, and we will never know the difference.

god prays to himself, after all, its is his ego which keeps the world going.

this gets me thinking about Vehkships. once again i take it as a metaphor. Belief is enough to keep the world going when its main support is damaged. belief is love, for nothing is truer than complete trust. belief is a mini universe onto itself, self-similar and identical but in C to the main. "slingshot [...] into era-streams without the needed energies of nearby aetheric bodies" indeed.