Fallout timeline says the United States held the last crude oil supply on earth. It doesn t really say if it got all used up by us or not.

It says nuclear cars were built pretty close the time of the war. The U.S. government would no doubt keep this last remaining oil from it s people as well. Weapons of war would be much more important than if Joe America could drive to work (if he even still had a job)

Does anyone know what happened to the oil???? Was it in fact located in Alaska?????? I think we need to check and see if it s there.

Fo nv Quarry Junction workers use big cranes. Said they were pre-war........ What powered these massive cranes. Does NCR know where the last oil is and have access to it????

How did the Boomers power a 4 engine B-29???????

All these questions about fuel linger in this edition of FALLOUT UNIVERSE

What the pre war world considered a little would be alot to NCR, or anyone that could get their hands on it and put it to use.

Failry certain the Enclave oil rig was the last supply..



Also, just becasue it was pre-war, doesnt mean it was cumbustion.

The oil was found somewhere off the west-coast and on top of it was built the Enclave Oil Rig, presumabley they used it to contruct all of the polymers for their power armour, the Boomers B29 is fuelled from bioethanol which they create from maize.

The Enclave Oil Rig was the last place that had oil and it was used up. Alaska might have some oil left, seeing as how china invaded Alaska for oil. Not sure if they used it all up. America drove china out of Alaska and started invading China itself. In part because of T-51b power armour and part I am guessing, due to China's war machine finally running out of gas, literally.

The Boomers get their fuel from corn. There is a hanger full of corn and oil drums and equipment. Do anything to make a fire the place burns up.

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the rig was there before the war.


haha as if the boomers only worry was the fuel, and not the fact that the plane had been sitting undewater for 200+ years.

So was the Enclave, you think Poseidon Energy placed the nuclear bomb, germ research facilities, Presidential seals, hydroponics labs, military aircraft, ammuntion stockpiles, power armour research facilities, manufacturing plants and burned "Enclave" into the floor of the lobby.

ah,. i think i read what you wrote wrong.. it sounded to me like you were saying they moved thee erig there after the fact.

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I would suspect that there is still Oil around, maybe its just hard to get to, like the Tar Sands here in Canada.

170 billion reserves, with a total of 1.7 trillion, just not accessible at this moment.

So I would suspect that there is still Oil around, left in InSitu wells adn the like just not enough for ti to even be worth it. At least for Pre-War America

someoene should have told them that before they had the resource wars. :sadvaultboy:

One of America's reasons for annexing Canada was for its resources but I am sure by 2077 the oil sands were running on empty both in Alberta and in Saskatchewan. That's right, Saskatchewan has just as much oil as Alberta but they passed laws to keep from getting it :whistling:

Bioethanol produced from maize genius !!!!!!!!!!

Maybe I didn t spend enough time in boom town after I raised the lady

With this there is no reason that scientists shouldn t be able to get info internal combustion engines, make mods to old gas engines and get gas driven vehicles going in the west very quickly.

The gaskets in the 200 year old engines would be worthless anyway. Many gaskets and seals need changed in real life when converting gas to ethanol, because it burns hotter.

So in fact we are only gaskets away and a maize/ethanol refinery from having some running cars/trucks/buses/ TANKS!!!!!!!!

Now I m not saying there are a lot of these, but NCR or BOS would be [censored] to not make use of this idea. Both have tech people that could make this work to some extent. Even is bos is real thin all over the west NCR would not pass the chance to move troops quickly with buses, and bring back some TANKS. Either an M1 or a Sherman looking tank with way upgraded armour.

There are fatal flaws with making fuel from corn. First being: If you use your corn to make fuel, what are you going to eat? The remaining corn used for eating will cost people more, which means your people will not be happy. Second being fuel made from corn does not last as long as gas does, not that gas lasts that long. Third being its really not that powerful as gas.

Still problems two and three and be solved with Science! but the first can't.

MWBoS make use of tanks but that is most likely due to their lack of Power Armour which other BoS groups seem to have plenty of. NCR would be able to make or re-use tanks but a better ghoul would be getting their own PA.

No one can say it can t be done, becausd the Boomers already did it with a B-29 !!!!!!! They r massive, they make a B-17 look small. Airplane engines r more complexed than car engines too.

I knew they were opening up a can of worms by having that B-29 fly. Next time we go out West there is no way NCR should not have some working vehicles. Mass production of refineries would take a long time, but 1 could get done rather quickly.

Though I haven t seen a dead tank in 2 fo s, that dosen t mean they r not out there. We have 1000s of tanks not counting older ones that have been retired. We sell some of them, but there are probably tank grave yards. The M1 is made to thrive in a radioactive environment. No reason they would be gone.

This is great news depending if you even wanted to see a tank in fo or not. The computers in M1s could be fixed or replaced. Older tanks have no computers. Not saying there should be alot of this stuff.

I am not saying it can't be done. I believe that is how the MWBoS in Tactics fuel their vehicles, which include tanks. Boomers clearly use fuel for their bomber so there is no question about it, it can be done. I am just saying for a faction like NCR, that is very large both in size and population. Making fuel from your food supply might not be the best idea. Its mentioned in New Vegas that back in California, alot of lakes and rivers have been svcked dry. This to me shows they need every last drop of water to go into food production. Then again they very well could be making alot of biofuel back west. But then there is the quest to get the info from Vault 22 which would support the idea that NCR really needs food more then fuel.

Also tank engines and plane engines are sometimes the samething.

I didn t even know you posted in between my 2 post. I can t edit and add on ps3. Yeah the food thing makes sense. They could squeeze a little though. Perfect reason to have only a few.

Indy cars run on over 80% ethanol. (not go fast nitro stuff, but save the planet ethanol) I don t think its that weak....

In Brazil I guess they mosly use ethanol. They say they r 100% self sufficienct. At least that s what they said on tv

I'm pretty sure the B29 is running (partially) on ethanol. Since Nellis was an airforce base, and they still have functioning VR simulators, It wouldn't be so hard to find some specifications or blueprints on how to Jury Rig your own airplane.

Hell, They even have a complete hull in their hangar. I'm pretty sure the thing that they're flying is some kind of hybrid between the parts of the B29 from the like and whatever parts of any pre-war airplane they had lying around.

Since they have so many spare parts lying around, it could be that they were able to make a hybrid plane that runs on both ethanol and fuel,- and/or Powercells.

Id think the last tank you would waste fuel on would be an m1a1 those thing guzzle down fuel like no tomorrow, they'd actually be better off with technicals, a good old pickup with a gun on the back, not as armoured but uses less fuel and you can put a recoiless rifle on it, 50 cal, quad 50's, even anti aircraft guns and they all the achieve the same thing, tanks are only good if your fighting people with tanks especially if you have basically no resources, better off with aircraft, dirigle with some mini guns or spin stabilised rockets.

But on the fuel side i thought the whole idea that the war was fought over the alaskan oil fields, if they dried out so quickly then it wasnt worth fighting a war over, i could see there maybe being viable oil fields there but since everything got blown to hell and back, i dont think there was much of an infrastructure to exploit the remains, i think the survivors were more interested in the staples of life than tapping the alaskan oil fields.

The M1 gets uses 4 gallons a mile in real life, but could be hauled to and area. Just a tank s presence in Iraq scares the f out of evey one.

Hinding in a building????? Not after a few 120mm shells explode and rip the face of the building off. Plus the m1 has 2 machine guns that (with the latest up dates) no one even has to be outside to run it. Ask the Iraqis how 4×4s worked when they tried attackind a colum of tanks and fuel trucks. You can t because they r dead.

The mere presence of a tank strikes fear into all who oppose them. Besides jet pilots........

I find myself wondering how many of the tanks at the time of he great war would be running on fossil fuels.

Actually the good ole invincible m1 tank got taken out by a single iraqi standing on an overpass with molotov cocktails, the crew bailed as the tank burned and much laughing was heard by the iraqis that such an armoured behemoth was taken out by a guy with a bottle
stuffed with a rag with petrol in it, plus many m1's got held up because the fuel trains werent keeping up, same as with the german during ww2 even in europe their tanks were held up because they needed a constant fuel supply.

Yes well, the left over from the destruction of the surface mining and the toxins are horrible and its disgusting. I truly hate them but it has to be done to an extent, at least slowly, adn companies should at least be held responsible for cleanup operations.



Yes and that is a good thing that they dont let the mining happen in Saskatchewan. One, the environmental destruction is too greast, 2. Sasckatchewan is great farmland adn I would prefer to not ahve my foods contaminated.




Its the truth and biofuels are a joke of an idea.

Im surprised Hydrogen Fuel cells were not created in the Fallout Universe. After all you could use irradiated water to power tank, it would be so beast.

Tanks in Fallout would not be the M1. Tactics has a tank and its a sherman.



I agree and disagree at the same time. We can't get into politics and I don't know Saskatchewan that well but the oil sands are in the north where there is not much farming. Saskatchewan is one of if not the Poorest province in Canada. When it comes to Oil canada is the Saudi Arabia of North America. Fallout Universe, environmental consernces went out the window and any and all oil/uranium supplies were tapped.



Hydrogen Cars have been tried but they had a habit of burning. Hopefully they get that tech right. In Fallout Universe they did not need them because they had electric cars powered by MF Cells.

You would expect them to make modern tanks, not use 127 year old(127 years old in 2077) tanks.

There are many types of Sheman tanks. Israelis after WW2 modded sherman tanks to something that does not even look like one.

On demand hydrogen, where you're essentially driving around with water in your tank, is being loked into.

I would think that there could be an in somewhere in a fallout game- definately seems a lot more viable than cold fusion

also, i would ddefinately expect modern tanks, like those witnessed in the liberation of anchorage simulation. though chinese, its absurd to think that the US and SCIENCE! wouldnt have created something better than a shiermen- fancy mods or not
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