So I made a post thanks to Paladin Dune, he mentioned the world population at only 2.5 million. I thought that was really really low, so I said 200 million worldwide.

I think in the US alone maybe 3-4 million survives, that's about 1/100 from today's population. So what about the rest of the world, I'd say Africa and South America got minimal destruction compared to the others, then some of Asia is probally safe.

Like I said 200 million maybe, but that even seems low considereing the world. And I don't know what the population was during 2077, but I think that some of the world would almost seemingly untouched.

The population of NCR during Fallout 2 was 700,000 and that was before NCR took control of all of California and into Mexico and Nevada. Also close to 30 years before Fallout New Vegas. By now I would not be suprised if NCR has a population of at leastt 3 million. Much better living conditions also adds to the population boom. Like Arcade said "with better medican people live longer, funny how that works." Caesar's legion possibly close to a million in there lands.

Seeing as how California had the greatest population in the united states and seems to have advanced the most since the great war. I would think that the rest of America has about 2 million in total.

"In two brief hours most of the planet was reduced to cinders" Fallout intro
"The Earth was nearly wiped clean of life." Fallout 2 intro

We don't know what the rest of the world is like but we know that the rest of the world was nuked to hell like America was. It has taken America 200 years to get a population of just under 6 million people. I would have to say the rest of the worlds population would be no more then 20 to 30 million people.

My math svcks but I think the math would go something like this.

Take the population of America before and after the great war and find the percentage
Then take the population of the world before the great war and reduce it by the same percentage as above.

I figure that China doesn't have over a billion people as it splits near that time, Inida is sketchy though. Maybe the world population was 3 billion opposed to 6 billion. Even though the world is burned to Cinders the US probally has much more damage than say all of South America so maybe they have 10-15 million, Africa similar. The rest of Asia, probally similar. China maybe 1 million. Europe maybe like America, all of Russia is probally a couple million. Austrailia is probally like South America except smaller.

If it is like that then it would be around 50-75 million.

I'd say about 1 billion at the very least. It's been 200 years since the population may have been as low as 200 million worldwide, 200 years is enough time to give birth to 800 million new people.

The Planet today is about to hit 7 billion people. America's population is just over 300 million now in 2011. The planets population is projected to hit 9 to 10 billion by 2050.

America's population before the Great War was 400 million. So it is safe to say that the poplation rate was about the same as it was in the Fallout Universe. So maybe around 11 billion people by 2077 With New Plague and wars, possibly 10 billion. :shrug:

"The end of the world occurred pretty much as we had predicted; too many humans and not enough space or resources to go around."

I am still going to go with my last post. I would speculate that the population of the world in Fallout as of 2277 is 20 to 30 million people.

Well if there were more people, than my guess would be higher, but I since the timeline split in the 50's-60's there is a chance the Chinese Baby Boom didn't happen. So there would be a bit less population. Maybe then with America at 400 million and no massive China, about 8 billion total.

If that were true I'd say 75-100 million total worldwide.

The Chinese Baby Boom started in the early 1950s. Mao Zedong came up with the theory that if a nuclear war happened the best way to win would be to have the biggest population. He believed that if the end were to come, USA and USSR would have only a few thousand survivors, while China would have a few million. He died in 1976.

Bigger the population the more nukes would be sent your way. Other nations would make sure that theory would be wrong. Also Nuclear bombs became much greater since that theory became practice in China.

Also I am not counting ghouls or other mutations. Just humans.

There was an all out nuclear war. The planet was reduced to radioactive cinders, nearly wiped clean of life. I doubt the planet after that can support anywhere close to a 100 million people.

Most of America in Fallout is desert now. China is mostly desert now in RL. Most of Eurasia would be desert. Africa for sure would be pretty much lifeless as well as Australia

After 200 years I think there is a possibility. At the start I figure your estimate is about right. After 200 years they about 50-70 milliom more people came about.

Since this is pure speculation, I can agree that at most, possibly 70 million world wide.

As far as we know, only the USA had any form of a vault shelter. So, that would mean that America is probably the only heavily populated area in the world... a few million people probably inhabit post war USA, with the rest of the world in the hundreds of thousands.

The only people to have survived outside the vaults during the great war would have done so in extremely small numbers, and only managed to barley survive (also, many would have been transformed into ghouls). I am using the Fallout New Vegas "the Burned Man" as my refrence for that. Also, most of the world would have reverted to a state of tribalism.

Of course, this is going off the FO intros saying that the world was wiped out, with the vault systems as a exception.

People saying 70 million are way way WAY to high as far as I see... I would say 10 million at max, with 70-90% being located within the USA (or close to it)

EDIT: 10 million is probably way to high even...

Most of the US population now comes from outsiders and other places. The vaults had a very small amount of survivors too. Their bombs were really weak too, ex. megaton. That was probally a kiloton bomb not megaton.

I figure sometimes exaggeration is the best way to make an awesome story.

EDIT: In real life there is speculation about what would happen in total nuclear war, some say only 5% would die, and others say huge amounts like 90% would die. I did some project last year on nuclear weapons so after I had to read those books I figured half the world's population would die, but as Fallout has SCIENCE a lot more probally died. So just tens of thousands in countries seems very unlikely.

It is also of note that in New Vegas we learn that NCR is at the peak of it's population. NCR is running out of war and seems to be concerned about future food problems. If NCRs population is around 3 million (I believe it could be) then it might not get higher then that without a greater drain on resources. The only way for the population to grow is to expand.

This would be a problem for pretty much the entire planet. If a population managed to get established like NCR, they would also hit a population ceiling. A point were it can't get any higher without using up it's resources.
So just because it has been 200 years does not mean every place that has people managed to keep expanding.

The only way to grow would be to expand. "War. war never changes."

Vaults were not meant to save people as we long since learned the dark secret behind them. Only 17 of the 122 Vaults were meant to save people. Vault 8 (Vault City) had a small population and Vault 3 (if it was one of the lucky 17) the dwellers never built a city but stayed in their Vault.

Most of the people that are in the wasteland came from people that survived ouside of a Vault.

The population of NCR alone bofore it became the size it is in New Vegas, back in 2241 was 700,000 people.

Where did you get that most of the US population post war comes from outside places??

The fallout intro says the world was WIPED CLEAN OF LIFE (with exception of the vaults)....



It does not say that all the other vaults ended up killing their inhabitants though. Vault 15 was over packed, to test the effects of overcrowding with cultural tensions. Vault 13 even was a test to see the effects of prolonged isolation.

My point is even if the vaults where not meant to save people, they did eventually release a lot of people into the wasteland to start life a new. And thoes people are the settlers of the post war USA.

Like I said earlier, clearly the US was probally hit the hardest, otherwise second hardest China beats it. Europe was at war so they probally lost a lot from that. But like I said the othere probally had stuff able to grow back much quicker than the 1st/2nd most nuked country.

@ Enclave Mk II - read Styles' post

It does not say "Except for the Vaults" It just says "A few were able to reach the relative safety of large under ground Vaults" In Fallout 2 we learn the real reason behind the Vaults. That they were never meant to save anyone.

People would suvive in many ways. Personal Fallout shelters/bomb shelters. Military bunkers, basemants, caves and the rare cities like Vegas and pittsburgh as well as rural areas not completely destroyed

New Vegas we have people that survived in the Grand Canyon. Fallout 3 has Little Lamplight. There are others in the Originals.

I've read it.

Go watch the Fallout intros. It does not say "The USA and China was nearly wiped clean of life". It says the WORLD was... That means the whole world was nuked to hell. The USA managed to survive because of the vault projects, even if they where not meant to save people. Test vaults do not mean death vaults. The NCR was the result of a testing vault...

My point is that as far as cannon is concerned, only the USA has a sizable population due to the creation of the vault system. Regardless of the fact that they where not meant to save people.

And Styles': There are a few outside the vaults that did live, i'm not arguing that, but they did not make up that vast majority of survivors. The vast majority came from the vaults. Go replay FO1... The Boneyard was occupied by the survivors from the vault under the city, Necropolis you know about, the NCR was from vault 15 (along with all the raider gangs). and otehr groups im to lazy to list.

I never said the rest of the world wasn't nuked, just to a lesser extent. In the Cold War do you think the USA or USSR would have used 1/4 of their arsenal on South America?

And take the 17 control vaults, say they each had the typical 1,000 people, even though control vaults were smaller. That is 17,000 people. I'd say with control vaults and other vault survivors 17,000 is a good amount that lived from vaults. We are presented with info in Fallou 2 that the NCR has 700,000 people with only a handful of vaults around. Shady Sands came from a vault bu 690,000 of those people didn't 10,000 given to survivors and their children.

So the NCR with a population of 700'000 in 2241 was the result of like 3/4 Vaults over a 150 year period?

You go watch the intro.

It does not say that the people surived because of the Vaults! It says: "A few were able to reach the relative safety of large under ground Vaults" It does not say "only those that made it to the Vaults survived and all else died."

Play Fallout 2. We learn that few Vaults were meant to save people. Vaults were meant as a social experiment. Vault 8 had a very small population and Vault 3 never tried to make a settlement. So that leaves 15 Vaults across America that were meant to save people. Control Vaults.

Vaults are not how most people survived the great war. They were not meant to SAVE ANYONE.

Going from a population of 400 million to less then a million is being "nearly wiped clean of life."

It was not just the decendants of a single vault, but all of the Core region... and it does not say when exactly they opened (all of them). Some opened right after the bombs fell, giving them 200ish years to repopulate at any rate they wished. So yes.




Control vaults are not the only vaults with people to survive. V13 was not a control vault, V15 was not, yet from that we get the Vault dewller, Arroyo, The NCR, and the majority of Core Region Gangs....

And the intro does not say that the rest of the world was just lightly hit. It says life was wiped clean! Why don't you get that? That means EVERYONE was hit HARD and left in a WASTELAND. NOT the the USA.

omg... I GET THEY WHERE NOT MEANT TO SAVE ANYONE

But they STILL MANAGED TO KEEP PEOPLE ALIVE PAST THE GREAT WAR. VAULT 15 WASN'T MEANT TO KEEP ANYONE ALIVE, NEITHER WAS THE ONE UNDER L.A. BUT THEY SHELTERED PEOPLE FROM THE BLAST.

SHOW ME WHERE THE OTHER PEOPLE CAME FROM THEN?

Are you saying that the 700,000 population size did not change for 150 years??

No one is saying that the rest of the world was ok.

We are saying that the Vaults were not meant to save people.

NCR started from a Vault but not everyone in NCR are decendents of Vault 15. NCR got bigger with time and started taking over other cities and towns. Other Cities and towns whos people that did not come from a Vault! Outsiders would have joined Shady Sands.

Vaults were not meant to save people, what is it that you don't get about that?

400 million reduced to far less then a million is being nearly wiped clean of life. Now extrapolate that to the rest of the world. 10 billion to 5 million or so.

Junktown
Hub
Den
Klamath
San Francisco
Modoc
Redding
New Reno
Plus all the location of Tactics

All populated by people not from a damn Vault!

I said include the others and you have about 17,000. The control vaults didn't house 1,000 more around 250 to have less specifications.

Vault 8, Vault 15, Vault 13 and the Demonstration Vault and 150 years were largely responsible for a population of 700'000?