Worried about not being able to block with swords? : V

» Sun Jun 12, 2011 4:14 pm

Many of you are worried because of the possibility of not being able to block with weapons...
I'm making this post so you can relax a little bit because you'll be able to do it.
It's clearly said in the Blocking tree description during the E3 demo.

http://i51.tinypic.com/25j82ok.jpg

Excuse me if I made some spelling/grammar mistakes, english is not my native language.

» Sun Jun 12, 2011 10:36 pm

I think the concern is that we might not be able to block while dual-wielding.

» Sun Jun 12, 2011 3:53 pm

I think the concern is that we might not be able to block while dual-wielding.

I also fear for the sword and spell style.

» Mon Jun 13, 2011 12:03 am

I think the concern is that we might not be able to block while dual-wielding.

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» Sun Jun 12, 2011 5:08 pm

I think the concern is that we might not be able to block while dual-wielding.

I can't see why wouldn't be possible to block while dual-wielding since you have two weapons and it says that you can block with weapons...
If you aren't able to do so the description would be completely fallacious.

» Sun Jun 12, 2011 10:33 pm

I'm only curious as to how it's going to be done as far as control scheme goes, that's all. It would be really stupid to take out a feature like that, plus there's already evidence of it being in like that screen shot you posted.

» Sun Jun 12, 2011 8:20 pm

I can't see why wouldn't be possible to block while dual-wielding since you have two weapons and it says that you can block with weapons...
If you aren't able to do so the description would be completely fallacious.

my dirty mind first thought you said something spelled similarly to fallacious :biggrin:

but i remember hearing something about not being able to block while duel wielding a few months ago

» Mon Jun 13, 2011 6:57 am

Blocking while dual wielding will likely be the same as 2 handing; both triggers.

Spellswords may be the only ones who can't, but who knows, maybe they can block too (both triggers).

» Mon Jun 13, 2011 6:51 am

I'm only curious as to how it's going to be done as far as control scheme goes, that's all. It would be really stupid to take out a feature like that, plus there's already evidence of it being in like that screen shot you posted.

On controllers, the right and Left bumpers would make sense

Pc, it could be any two keys

Actually, post above sounds better. Bumpers could be used for dragonshouts?

» Sun Jun 12, 2011 8:08 pm

Hmmmm.... Like the shield, the length at which you hold down the trigger controls what you do with the weapon. Insta-tap? Swing weapon. Hold down for a moment? Timed parry, like with the shield. Hold down for a bit longer? Power attack.

Probably would be a bit more challenging with timing... but like in real life, it's easier to just put a slab between you and your foe's weapon than trying to parry your foe's attack aside.

» Mon Jun 13, 2011 7:00 am

Hmmmm.... Like the shield, the length at which you hold down the trigger controls what you do with the weapon. Insta-tap? Swing weapon. Hold down for a moment? Timed parry, like with the shield. Hold down for a bit longer? Power attack.

Probably would be a bit more challenging with timing... but like in real life, it's easier to just put a slab between you and your foe's weapon than trying to parry your foe's attack aside.

The animation for that will look a bit silly. imo. But I can live with that.

» Mon Jun 13, 2011 2:03 am

I also fear for the sword and spell style.

This. My primary concern for the new melee combat system is the (possible?) lack of weapon blocking with one weapon (and no shield) equipped.

I'd love to, and normally would believe that the Block skill -- especially based on its description -- allows blocking with any equipment configuration that includes a shield or at least one of any weapon. Unfortunately there's reason to believe that only shields and two-handers allow blocking.

» Sun Jun 12, 2011 6:27 pm

I'm pretty sure they could just make block be the old spell cast button (unless you have a shield in one hand)

» Mon Jun 13, 2011 3:17 am

I'm pretty sure they could just make block be the old spell cast button (unless you have a shield in one hand)

I could swear a PlayStation magazine several months back mentioned that blocking will be accomplished by holding down both attack triggers (R1 and L1 in the PS3's case). If that is the case, then blocking while dual-wielding swords or blocking while wielding a sword and a spell shouldn't be a problem, control-wise.

» Mon Jun 13, 2011 4:35 am

I think the concern is that we might not be able to block while dual-wielding.

I seem to remember hearing something about holding both buttons while dual-weilding. Although I'm not 100% this was about blocking, as my memory is a bit fuzzy, but I can't think of what else it would be. I wouldn't be too worried about it, even if this isn't the case I'm sure they've thought of something.

» Sun Jun 12, 2011 3:42 pm

Many of you are worried because of the possibility of not being able to block with weapons...
I'm making this post so you can relax a little bit because you'll be able to do it.
It's clearly said in the Blocking tree description during the E3 demo.

http://i51.tinypic.com/25j82ok.jpg

Excuse me if I made some spelling/grammar mistakes, english is not my native language.

Thanks for the post. I'm reassured, even if not everyone is.

» Mon Jun 13, 2011 12:39 am

You can block as long as the left trigger is free. Or you are using a shield.
So far it seems you can't block while dual wielding.

» Mon Jun 13, 2011 6:41 am

I think the concern is that we might not be able to block while dual-wielding.

I blame the console for this.

» Sun Jun 12, 2011 10:15 pm

I don't see why you wouldn't be able to block with two swords..

» Mon Jun 13, 2011 7:03 am

I blame the console for this.

Me too. Bloody ridiculous.

A question guys: Do you think we'll be able to block while wielding just a shortsword, with nothing else in the other hand?

» Mon Jun 13, 2011 6:11 am

I don't see why you wouldn't be able to block with two swords..

Because this game is being developed first on the console, which means a controller. The controller only has 2 whatever you call them, things that you push in.

Now if it were being developed first on the PC, us PC players would get it because it would be easy to do and the console players would get it through some other way. But since it is the way that it is, neither of us will get it.

» Mon Jun 13, 2011 6:37 am

There'll be a perk to do some kind of block while dual wielding, I'm sure

» Sun Jun 12, 2011 4:14 pm

Many of you are worried because of the possibility of not being able to block with weapons...
I'm making this post so you can relax a little bit because you'll be able to do it.
It's clearly said in the Blocking tree description during the E3 demo.

http://i51.tinypic.com/25j82ok.jpg

Excuse me if I made some spelling/grammar mistakes, english is not my native language.

that does ease myheart but i am very worried about dual wielding. though it does say weapon not specifying a two handed weapon so maybe it will work

» Mon Jun 13, 2011 4:35 am

Why blame the console? It's not about the available buttons, it's about the balance. When you dual-wield, you have extra offense at the expense of defense. Same for the spellsword combo. They could have some weaker block/parry in place so you get some defensive capability but overall, extra offense = less defense.

» Sun Jun 12, 2011 6:11 pm

There'll be a perk to do some kind of block while dual wielding, I'm sure

But how do I train my block whilst dual wielding high enough so I can get the perk?