I worry for Bethesda.

Post » Fri Mar 08, 2013 7:19 pm

I don't know how "worrying for the direction" of the game based on a sort of sister title (seeing how things have been handled thus far by Beth), is not just as productive as telling them "I want a weapon skill to affect accuracy, but not damage". It tells the devs that this is something people do not want, and that people care. That is, of course, if they care about knowing that since they just make a game they want to make.

The money is what speaks loudest to game companies unless you are talking Indie. Again, all we can do is say what we want. If enough people want it and say it, it will more than likely happen like the Kill Cams in Skyrim which I despise. Still, I don't see where good will come from worrying about any of it. Worry makes your hair turn gray and for what, a game? If I don't like a game I just don't play it. And if I'm worried it won't be a good game I won't buy it until it's out long enough to read enough about it to make a final decision. Worry though? Nah, it really won't effect my life too much.
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Post » Fri Mar 08, 2013 11:05 pm

Let's keep the context though. I would very much like the game to be good, that's why I and some other people - occasionally - worry about what is being done with it (and specifically here, on its dedicated forums - I don't sweat about it when having a drink with my buddies, or chew my fingernails at work :lol: ). You are indifferent (it seems) - and if I was too, I wouldn't be posting here because "hey what ever". I've followed this series long enough to care how it goes and I'm also going to be indifferent if the future shows no promise or prospect, but until then - I worry and hope accordingly to what I can suspect.
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Post » Sat Mar 09, 2013 4:10 am

Yeah that is about right. As for New Vegas, I don't really like that game very much. For Fallout 4 I want a new and improved FO 3 rather than a NV type game. There seems to be many RPG templates and differences of opinion as to what exactly makes a game an RPG. The rpg umbrella is huge and you can not discount one game as an RPG due to personal narrow vision of what it is. People have debated that for years here now and it's become a bit aggravating to me really. Considering professionals in the field classify TES and Fallout as RPGs I'll consider them to be. For me it's all about fun and building my character the best I can and playing some strange and crazy roles. And yes I like to be free to roam and do as I want at any given moment in game. NV felt very limiting in that respect especially at the beginning of the game. I felt railroaded down a pre determined path for far to long. Almost forced to go the way the developers wanted me to go. But again, in the end it won't matter what I like. I hate kill cams but they put them in Skyrim anyway. Hate buildings I can't enter but they are in FO 3 and FONV. So they will make the game how they wish and then we will either like it or not. And one of us might like it and ten more not or vice versa.
Am I the only one who prefer freedom in Vegas? I find DC very dull. Every location was the same. Building full of enemies and with the same tactic. In Vegas there are at liest 4 roads. One with "Danger Deathclaws!" signs and guy shouting "Don't go in there this is suicide!" and people complained that is forcing them to go south but that was just friendly advice. You can go north and if you are smart you can survive it and after it game is much easier because once you decide right. Fallout 3 is more like choosing 1 fruit from 100 apple trees and Vegas is like choosing apple or pear.
I agree with you, but I didn't understand your last sentence. What company? Obsidian?
Nope... still Bethesda. I just want simple answer. Are they going to do another fallout 3 or their version of vegas or something completly new.
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Post » Fri Mar 08, 2013 5:24 pm

Let's keep the context though. I would very much like the game to be good, that's why I and some other people - occasionally - worry about what is being done with it (and specifically here, on its dedicated forums - I don't sweat about it when having a drink with my buddies, or chew my fingernails at work :lol: ). You are indifferent (it seems) - and if I was too, I wouldn't be posting here because "hey what ever". I've followed this series long enough to care how it goes and I'm also going to be indifferent if the future shows no promise or prospect, but until then - I worry and hope accordingly to what I can suspect.
:lol: It's not that I am indifferent. I want a good game but know that what I might think a good game might not be what the multitudes want and so I try not to pretend to know what the best direction is because quite honestly I don't. I know that so far they have done a fantastic job of making games that make them money. I'm not at all sure how long that might last. But I'm never sure from one game to the next if it will be something I will enjoy. I'm one person and just don't feel as one person it matters overly much what they do. What matters to them is sells and new generations of gamers.

Most post here because they want to see change. Sometimes they get it (kill cams in skyrim, removal of ending in FO 3...) but that is when everyone is screaming. Several lone voices don't seem to matter much. I believe they listen but I also believe they are developing games they want to develop and hoping it's the right direction. I guess I used to try to get my desires better known to the devs but then one day I realized they were the artists and I was the artist's fan. I'm not fond of the Mona Lisa but I'm outnumbered.
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Post » Fri Mar 08, 2013 9:06 pm

Am I the only one who prefer freedom in Vegas? I find DC very dull. Every location was the same. Building full of enemies and with the same tactic. In Vegas there are at liest 4 roads. One with "Danger Deathclaws!" signs and guy shouting "Don't go in there this is suicide!" and people complained that is forcing them to go south but that was just friendly advice. You can go north and if you are smart you can survive it and after it game is much easier because once you decide right. Fallout 3 is more like choosing 1 fruit from 100 apple trees and Vegas is like choosing apple or pear.
Nope... still Bethesda. I just want simple answer. Are they going to do another fallout 3 or their version of vegas or something completly new.
No if you read around in this forum right now you will find many more who like NV more so you are in the majority atm. But when and if FO 4 is announced you will find a reversal of that opinion. Odd isn't it?
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Post » Sat Mar 09, 2013 12:02 am

Am I the only one who prefer freedom in Vegas? I find DC very dull. Every location was the same. Building full of enemies and with the same tactic. In Vegas there are at liest 4 roads. One with "Danger Deathclaws!" signs and guy shouting "Don't go in there this is suicide!" and people complained that is forcing them to go south but that was just friendly advice. You can go north and if you are smart you can survive it and after it game is much easier because once you decide right. Fallout 3 is more like choosing 1 fruit from 100 apple trees and Vegas is like choosing apple or pear.

I found the Capital Wasteland very dull compared to the Mojave as well. Bethesda likes to cram their worlds with excessive amounts of caves, dungeons, and generic enemies. In the end, it all becomes a bunch of mindless filler. I can barely remember anything outside of the towns in FO3.

I preferred Obsidian's style of world design where they focus on less overall locations and enemies in the world, but focused on providing unique experiences. In the end, there's less total hours of gameplay to be had, but it's much better gameplay imo. Helios, Boomers, Khans, Vault 22, the prison, Black Mtn, Jacobstown, Forlorn Hope, etc....

The last world Bethesda designed that I truly enjoyed was Morrowind, and even that wasn't completely immune to the above statements.
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Post » Sat Mar 09, 2013 1:21 am

Maybe he wants Fallout and TES to be separate franchises and do thing differently?
I hope so.
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Post » Fri Mar 08, 2013 6:30 pm

dont be worry. Bethesda improves exponentially with each game, so fo4 will be epic game just like fo3. :tops:

Level limits in skyrim was useless anyways, there was no point in it. earlier scrolls, skills would be maxed so fast that you hit the level cap very soon even without artificial barriers.
Lol a fresh egg... wait 'till the dinosaurs tend to you :P.

What Beth need to do is try take what worked well in fo3 and fonv and put them together, if Bethesda neglects the writing and story that will burn all bridges to the hardcoe fans.
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Post » Fri Mar 08, 2013 6:34 pm

The last world Bethesda designed that I truly enjoyed was Morrowind, and even that wasn't completely immune to the above statements.
I can say only one thing about Morrowind - Magic. This is my favourite Bethesda game and almost everything is like created just for this game. I felt Skyrim was trying to bring more our world mythology but many games have dragons, dungeons and mages. Morrowind was special and thats why it is much more interesting.
What Beth need to do is try take what worked well in fo3 and fonv and put them together, if Bethesda neglects the writing and story that will burn all bridges to the hardcoe fans.
Vegas was the same thing. Take new engine with old world and mixed. Both sides Bethesda and Black Isle like it and disliked. But this time Bethesda has much more exprience with falloutverse and grumpy fans. Why not get hire Obsidian once again but this time just to DLC? In that way Bethesda team can work on different DLC.
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Post » Sat Mar 09, 2013 2:33 am

Bethesda has lots of experience with grumpy fans, or did you think everything said to bethesda back when they released oblivion was a loveletter?(for that matter they caught flack over things they did in in the Marrowind series
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Post » Fri Mar 08, 2013 6:27 pm


Lol a fresh egg... wait 'till the dinosaurs tend to you :P.

What Beth need to do is try take what worked well in fo3 and fonv and put them together, if Bethesda neglects the writing and story that will burn all bridges to the hardcoe fans.
We already have, and tend to ignore SNP because he spouts nonsense to get a rile out of people with the majority of his posts.

OT- I agree with your sentiment, while I still do not think FO3 was a good FO game, combining the best aspects of both 3 and NV would make for an epic game imo.
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Post » Fri Mar 08, 2013 11:00 pm

epic game just like fo3. :tops:
http://youtu.be/PSI8nP0m24M?t=5s
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Post » Fri Mar 08, 2013 9:59 pm

http://youtu.be/PSI8nP0m24M?t=5s

How "clearly defined as opinion and constructive" ;) .
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Post » Sat Mar 09, 2013 1:45 am

No if you read around in this forum right now you will find many more who like NV more so you are in the majority atm. But when and if FO 4 is announced you will find a reversal of that opinion. Odd isn't it?

No, it's not odd at all. Shallow fans that prefer that easy, uninspired games like FO3 and Oblivion move to the next best shiny game after some time period, leaving true fans of franchises that happened to prefer more complex and deep games like FO:NV and Morrowind on these forums.
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Post » Sat Mar 09, 2013 9:10 am

No, it's not odd at all. Shallow fans that prefer that easy, uninspired games like FO3 and Oblivion move to the next best shiny game after some time period, leaving true fans of franchises that happened to prefer more complex and deep games like FO:NV and Morrowind on these forums.
Well thats why Torment never had a sequel... but thankfully Kickstarter exist.
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