That's why I suggested two classifications of RPG. I'd consider "choices & consequences" type games to be RPGs, as well as "stat allocation & loot collection" type games; but sometimes they're different enough they may as well be two separate genres.

I had seriously thought about putting this in my "for real" list, but the gameplay isn't so bad. I just wanna kick Tidus' teeth in thanks to the horrible voice over that made him sound like an annoying, pre-pubascent kid.

I disagree with the need to complicate it by intentionally trying to give specific definitions and splitting the genre. There are plenty of us that just like RPGs and realize they aren't all going to have the same kind of content.

I have a nasty habit with spelling some words the way I pronounce them. I meant "Angles"

Neverwinter Nights 2. Crappy camera, outdated controls, crummy story, annoying characters, ugly as sin graphics despite high system requirements, sluggish gameplay, terrible AI, and horrid level design. Not a single redeeming quality to be found.

I enjoyed that game quite a bit.

You pronounce "angles" like "angels"?

Is that a Swedish thing?

Flying Bears with frickin' laser eyeballs. Its right up there with Fatal Labyrinth and Beyond the Beyond.

. . . I liked Fatal Labyrinth . . .

You pronounce "angles" like "angels"?

Is that a Swedish thing?

Oblivion, Fallout 3, and Dragon age 2 are on my list some where...I don't know who takes the prize yet.

Hmm I thought NWN 2 wasn't bad at all, ofcourse I got it late and with Mask of the betrayer so I didn't have any problems with bugs.

*D-11 rolls for saving*
*20*

I shall accept this. For now. :shifty:

I looked it up and it was Demon Stone I meant

Picked up my kids' copy of Eternal Sonata, being inside a dying composer's mind sounded really original and interesting.

Then I had to fight some flamingoes with an umbrella.

No, I pronounce "Angels" A-n-gels and "Angles" An-ge-ls

There are definitely weirder weapons than umbrellas in some JRPGs.

http://darkcloud.wikia.com/wiki/Frozen_Tuna for example. :biggrin:

It wasn't bad. Nethack is superior in every way except graphics, though.

Aw, I liked Demon Stone! I viewed it more as a hack-n-slash than an RPG - it doesn't have dialog trees/choices or side quests. But it was fun, and I liked the story well enough and the character banter. The gameplay was nice - I wish NWN had it, because combat-by-mouse-click is as boring as hell.

NWN... it was my first DnD RPG that I played, so the MQ wasn't so predictable to me. I think it would be more fun with mods. I liked the two expansion packs' main quests much better. I do wish it had more-interactive combat controls, but that's just the style of the thing. What I enjoyed in particular were the dialog trees, the integration of skills into dialog choices, and other non-combat elements. TES III and IV don't quite have that level of dialog tree sophistication. What I dislike the most about NWN - and possibly other games in that vein - is the necessity to "map out" your character build, lest you be crippled and have to start over again so that you can beat a boss battle. It dampens the flow of the game and spontaneity - for me, at least. I'd rather focus on the immediate gameplay and story than tally stat maths and skill point distribution. Fortunately, there are character build templates out there on the web, and if I play NWN again with mods, I'd probably use a template and just follow that so I don't have to fuss and fret over my character stats.

I can totally understand if people don't like NWN. I think I started a dozen characters but only really played with two or three. The first parts are tedious because your character is so weak and you have to baby him/her and you have crap equipment and the beginning quests are a bit dull, especially the fed-ex quests, and you can't do much because you have very few feat abilities.