That's called capitalism. Ever heard of garage sales? Flea markets? Those are places where people will buy used dishes, forks, cups, bowls, pitchers, ect. for money. Will it be alot of money? No. Will it be money? Yes, most likely a quarter or less which is about 1 gp in Oblivion. And what about that one store in the Imperial city run by the bosmer that sold goods for cheap? His store was the kind of place that would buy used goods for a low price. Used dishes and such have a value to people that have no such things and are too poor to afford new ones. Those are the kind of people that would buy them, the bosmer would have made a killing by buying used items like that on the cheap and selling them at a slightly higher price to those who couldn't afford new ones (we all know what he did instead but still). Same principle as thrift stores or places like gamestop. If items useless items had value it would feel more like the world was real, complete with second hand stores. I'm not worried about this for Skyrim, I'm pretty sure Bethesda knows what they're doing and the game's economy system is being worked on so it should work out fine, and if not I'm not gonna let it bug me.

You ever wonder when someones house is broken into that not every stitch of clothing etc...isn't always taken? Even in movies (yeah, I know, movies aren't real) you see drawers shuffled thru, desks rumaged thru, etc.., but only the "real" valuable stuff is taken. You know, not the cheap Target or Walmart "silverware" and stuff. Why? Because not everything is worth the effort and any fence doesn't want a worn pair of pants.

Again, I'm fine with 0 worth items. And again, silverware isn't free when it is initially sold. I doubt the maker of the silverware gave it away. But it is at the point of stealing the item and trying to sell it to a fence or merchant where the value diminishes to a point below the 1 septim it may have cost (and I doubt it was sold individually for 1 septim each. probably as a set of silverware). Everything might have value, but that doesn't mean a merchant will give you money equal to the origianl cost of the item after it was used.

So don't do that. Allow the player to carry 10000 copper if they want, but give it weight. Then you need to find a trader or a bank to "trade up" if you have too much. And for added realism, they won't give you full value for all your petty copper either; you might need to give them 110 copper for every silver, depending on how much they like you.

I find it far more realistic to be able to carry around 10 gold, 54 silver and 19 copper in a little pouch that weighs maybe 2lbs, than 105,419 gold pieces that collectively weigh nothing.

Where did you come up with that?

well... back then stuff weren't mass produced on factories, now where they? i'm sure you'd demand more for something you spent a day making, than something that were made on an hour... by a machine... that don't requirre payment... made alongside 100000 of others... its the same reason books should be quite expensive... every copy was writen in hand... therefor peasents shouldn't have books... 'nor be able to read...

suprized no one brought this up..

I always just picked it up, and then dropped it on the floor before the guards talked to me. Then just pick it back up after they warn you.

Every single character I ever made did that.

Back then? Back when?
Where is your source that things in Nirn happened "back then"?
Sure, they don't have the same kind of technology that we do, but please, for the love of Thor, don't mix real life history into Nirn!

That my friend, is the reason no one have brought it up - it doesn't matter how things was "back then" because TES isn't back then, it's in another world, not connected to our world in the slightest!
Why does so many people think of TES as "back then"? Fantasy is not reality.

Shops should have classes too. Lower class shop would buy your clay pots and used wooden forks for a small amount, but upper class shop would refuse to trade with junk like that.

I agree that there shouldn't be worthless items, but there should be people that consider it worthless.

I think the pricing in Oblivion on a lot of items were a bit off. There are items that are near essentially worthless in reality, however Oblivion just went too far with it, why was a piece of fine silver stolen from a Duke's castle worth only 5 gold? I think that items should have a "quality" value to them, so a wooden knife stolen from a near begger's house is essentially worthless, but the house across the street that is just slightly larger and to a family with just a bit more money has metal knives is worth at least one gold, heh.

This could easily be dealt with if they returned more to the currency style in Morrowind rather than Oblivion. In Morrowind 1 gold was worth less than 1 gold in Oblivion which meant that the relatively worthless items were still around 10gold and the rare items you found were worth like 60,000. This also meant that it felt as though you had more money in Morrowind where I was going around with 500,000 compared to Oblivion where I had around 100,000 even though in the scheme of things they were worth around the same.

Indeed. There were many things I liked better in Morrowind... I hope they do it this way again.

Personally what I find most offputting about the economy in Oblivion is how all of the value-less silverware and Very Hard castle chests full of paintbrushes kind of makes thievery and crazy capitalist exploits a lot less rewarding. In a way, it felt as if Bethesda were streamlining the process of making money in Oblivion. "These items have no value. They're only here for decorative purposes. Go to dungeons to make money. It's simple." They may as well have gotten rid of the chests in dungeons and just made you gain gold upon killing an enemy, because that was pretty much what they seemed to be encouraging you to do half the time.

In a similar example, I disliked how most of the loot in Oblivion's dungeons was stashed away in chests. No clever hidden objects in the ceiling or behind statues like in Morrowind? Again, it felt as if they were just trying to make the dungeons feel like something out of Diablo. "You cleared the dungeon. Here's your obligatory loot. Now go, nothing else to see here." I mean, the dungeons still played quite nicely (especially with the physics traps) and I still think Oblivion's dungeons were far more action-packed at times. But little things like item placement seemed to evoke a much stronger feeling of adventure and interactive-fiction-world-storytelling-ness in the game's predecessor.

But I digress. Both games had pretty bad economies either way, but I'm hoping that whilst Bethesda tends to the "big things" in Skyrim like the cities' import/exports, they'll go back and re-assess all the mundane junk items as well. Actually, the very promise that the persistent player can actually make money off of fishing and the like leaves me hoping that this will be the case. :touched:


Pretty much this.

EDIT: Oh, and make gold an item! I want to find spooky occult symbols arranged on the floor in Septims again!

I don't think Morrowind's system was that good. You could snatch a soulgem from that Mages Guild Elf and go to best shop and take all the inventory and all trader's money for it. And repeat the procedure with other items.

I believe he was talking about the value of gold, not the abusable system.

I think circumstances similar to her should be in Skyrim, but without the easiness of stealing the gem. Was kinda cheap that she just walked away from it during that quest. And that I could stand on her head and she couldn't see me... :rolleyes:

Ironically, people want items such as rotten fruit.

indeed; (and trash).

I would welcome a more detailed monetary system in a game that simulates a town, as well as the inclusion of trash, and essentially valueless clutter.

(And there is always the potential for a quest related need of unsellable items.)

They also need to put back that you can take verything. Quite a few things were nailed to the ground in OB. But yea, they need to make being a thief an actual profession again

In Oblivion, Apples are worth more than gold.

I think going as far as having "rotten apples" is ridiculous, though having stuff like blank pieces of paper (Like DA) would fit. I am good with how the money system is right now, with just gold, but I will say Dragon Ages bronze, silver and gold currency was fantastic, and I would like to see that in Skyrim. If we dont get that, just a little bit of balancing of how things are priced would do for me

like in FO:NV make thing be worth 0.1 piece
if you sell one thing nothing is gain
if you find 10 things that cost 0.1 Gp, you can make some gold
It should balance things

For example- I have a paperclip
Someone wants to pay me for one paperclip? I don't think so.
But if I have 50 boxes of paperclip, than for a right price I could sell those.

I want worthless items, for house decoration...

This.

A monetary system incorporating only gold coins is in the end rather unrealistic. Furthermore, an expanded monetary system would make the amassing of gold feel more of an accomplishment. However, it also needs a proper mercantile system to be implemented properly.

Not only would I want rotten apples... I would want to be able to add one to a basket of good apples, and have the game start replacing the good ones with bad ones over time; To be able to check back later and see that one bad apple did indeed spoil the bunch.

Oh dear god that gave me a good laugh, thank you for that lol. I may disagree on the apples, but because you made me laugh I hope they put them in

You shouldn't need to put a rotten apple in order to make the others rot. Fruit has a tendency to do that all on it's own. If such a mechanic was present it would be realistic indeed but it would also lead to there being no fresh fruit any where in the game after a week.

Lets meet in the middle and not have any fresh fruit spawn in containers in ancient ruins(that aren't occupied by living NPCs) and other such ridiculous locations.