One thing about oblivion that bothered me was the huge amount of items that were worth 0 gold. I'd break into somebody's house and and start stealing everything only to realize I had to just give most of it all away. Make the items worth at least 1 gold piece each. If you're going to have worthless items you can't even sell for a buck they may as well not even be in the game.

Indeed. In Morrowind you could find nice silverware and plates and stuff that were worth like 20 gold.

Hell, in the first building in the game there's a platter worth 600 gold.

Everything should be worth ATLEAST one gold... i mean, you can't just give away all your forks (if your a fork salesman)

Maybe they should add a more complex monetary system with copper, silver, gold, etc. Then those items that really aren't worth a gold could still then have some value, like a few coppers, or something.

This was Oblivions supposedly "economy balance".
Addition to being unable to sell stolen goods,they made thier value 0 not to encourage the player to steal stuff.
It seems like you'll be called a "thief" if you're using daggers,stealing has nothing to do with it.

What bothered me the most was that a beggar could buy clothes fit for the king after one day of begging.
They should really take a closer look at the prices of items.

there's a mod for that.

So, Bethesda shouldn't fix problems because a mod would eventually?

Except it makes sense. Who wants to buy a stone jug or a clay pot? It's not even worth a gold because the shop would probably sell it for a gold. There are somethings that are worthless, makes perfect sense.

I rember the first time I played Oblivion bliviongate: . I ran into some guys house and stole something and ran away only to realize it was a cup.

For everything else, there is Mastercard.
All jokeing aside, I'm sure everything will be just fine, Todd did mention they were still balancing all things economy wise to find an ageeable sweetspot.

:tes:

And books were a goldmine.

Except it doesn't make sense. Manufactured goods like pots and jugs have some value, even if it isn't very much. Even more so the forged metal implements like the calipers. To me it speaks more of Oblivion's failure to take into account fractional sums of money.

The stuff had no value as it was all junk.

You think it was a problem, they didn't. Therefore if you don't like it mod it.

If you break into my house are you going to take my dishes or my jewelery? In a poor person's house you find junk, in palaces you find silver.

Your argument is flawed.

Expanded monetary system (something like copper, silver, gold) is definitely a must. Probably it should stay decimal, although it could be more realistic if it was stupidly complex as it was, well, virtually anywhere in the middle ages. One gold coin should sound like a fortune for city beggar or some poor peasant. Most food in villages should cost somewhere in coppers, basic crude weaponry, common clothing and services in silvers, and heavy armor and good-quality weapons, as extravagant clothing and probably all magic-related stuff, should cost some gold.

Well,it was how I made money in Morrowind.It's not easy to rob a palace as a newbie outta the boat.But I had great thrill sneaking into the Imperial Warehouse in Oblivion.It was a major turnoff to see 0 gold items LOL.

That's aside the point. I was responding to your Bethesda shouldn't fix it because there are mods mindset, not about the worthless items. Which should be worth at least something. Nothing is free after all.
The prices need to be revamped anyway. They make no sense. Clothes fit for noble people worth as much as bread? Huh?
As for my "Flawed argument"... there wasn't any, I just asked you if Bethesda shouldn't fix things because there will be mods for them.

At the very least it should include the practice of cutting coins into pieces.

I seriously doubt that everyone in tamriel makes their own jugs and pots. Somebody's got to make them and I doubt they'd just give them away for free. Haven't you gone to the store and spent more than a few dollars on a new mug or picher?

As I said, Bethesda didn't see it as broken, you did.

Why do they have to fix something that isn't broken. Sure, you think its broken, but they don't, so there is no need to fix it.

Let the mods fix it isn't my mind set. I said there was a mod for you people who didn't like the dev's decision to make stuff worthless. To them it isn't a mistake that needs fixing. To me it's not a problem. If you think it's a problem then fix it. If you can't use mods, then live with it.

Please read what I said and don't assume that I'm someone who thinks that modders need to fix Bethesda's mistakes. I don't think a design decision is a mistake, therefore it doesn't need them to fix it.

It's not broken. If somethng is worth very little, why would a shop waste the space to even warehouse it as inventory?

It wouldn't be worth the space it takes up, basically.

What do you do with nearly useless garbage(money-wise) when you are in a dungeon somewhere? Throw it away, ya?

I do agree that things like plates, bowls and such should not have zero value, they should at least be worth something, with the value increasing with the items' quality. Not everything in the game needs to have a practical use for the player to be worth something. For one thing, it just makes sense for these items to have some value, because these are things people use, and buy and sell, even if the player doesn't use them, if they're things you'd see on sale, they should have at least some value. Further, giving clutter items value is good for thieves, and it wouldn't unbalance the game because it's not like every plate will be worth 1000 gold, only higher quality clutter items should be worth a significant price, and such items wouldn't be just given to you, you still have to acquire them somehow, such as by stealing them, which takes effort too. Not everything worthwhile in the game has to be acquired by fighting or doing quests.

Now, I can understand things like bones being worthless, because these are really things most people wouldn't have a use for, but if it's an item anyone could concievably buy or sell, it should be worth something.

Why do people want to steal worthless clay bowls so adamantly? There are more expensive silverware in this game too! Steal those!!! Or Books! There are a lot of expensive books in many houses.

It's not like every house will have riches beyond belief.

well dont go stealing forks

if you would go and vreak into a house IRL.....you wouldn't go picking every cup and pot and carpet with you in the first place, you would go and find their money and jewelry and maybe some other valuable stuff

Well selling upperclass vase of custom work thats can be Art from different culture for free makes sense off course
Clutter created out precious materials cost few coins, precious items are mostly worthless, all marked as stolen thats almost take all fun from heists
http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Oblivion:Miscellaneous_Items#Clutter
Why need to do thats when better raid dungeon for looting marauders in glass and daedric, or make some alchemy potions out respawning ingredients and cell them for profit?
Do not justify flawed leveling system of Oblivion, it's fact leveling was broken and there is no official patches thats fixes it, only community mods why we need fix such things where is part of game design and quality control?
Doesn't we pay for finished products?