I was wondering, would east-coast BOS turn into a new faction in itself ? They have enclave tech and armor, they have Enclave plasma based weapons. Most of the paladins and prolly now using the Tesla armor and Lyons pride wearing Hellfire armors. Talon company eradicated and source of the mutants known which would soon be destroyed. Outcasts isolated due to their narrow-minded thinking.... Now heavily increased BOS military is now also securing most of the DC, immediately surrounding the pentagon.

In, 10 years time, during the time of New Vegas, do you think that the mutant heaven would have been destroyed and the wasteland population actually beginning to settle in DC around the pentagon.. Do you think in years to come BOS would become less of BOS and more of a govt. run military/society ? Do you think in next 10 years the BOS would start expanding possibly towards the commonwealth attracted by its technology..

P.S I am really hoping fallout 4 to be in the Commonwealth.. having the institute , railroad , BOS as the 3 major factions would be pretty awesome.... If Lyons is alive within the next 10 year i know who he would assist...I wonder of BOS ever end up knowing Harkness is an Android...

Yes, quite likely.

They already were pretty much their own faction.

The DC area should be shaping up nicely.

I'm sure the Outcasts probably have Enclave weapons and armour too. Though it seems the Brotherhood outnumbers them.
The BOS may well expand north, but they'd have to deal with Vault 87 first and that means going through Little Lamplight... :flamethrower:
I can't imagine Elder Lyons killing the kids there. I can't imagine Sarah Lyons doing so either. They would probably just do what they did in the Pitt and take them to be trained in the Brotherhood.
Or they could just use the third entrance to the Vault.

They may make a new Brotherhood faction, completely independent from the one out west. They have one of the Maxons after all....

Well, as long as they don't revert back to the completly close-minded ways of the Brotherhood (No recruiting/taking everyone's favorite toys) there is no reason they wouldn't become more of an economic and pollitical power in the region.

Maybe the next game will be set a few decades later, and the BoS could become more evil.
"Absolute power corrupts absolutely."

I think that would just drive more of the Knights, Paladins and Scribes to the Outcasts.

I have given it some thought. Even thow it is said the Original BoS told Lyons to kiss off and stopped talking to him I believe Lyons will someday return to the West. That or Sara Lyons.

I say this because of one Key Person. Arthur Maxson, the last descendant of the Maxson Blood Line. I don't see why the Original BoS would cut off all contact with Lyons, IE excommunication while those they excommunicate have the only Maxson left.

I was thinking maybe some people back in the BoS wanted new Blood. Knowing what happened to the last people that wanted new blood, (MWBoS) kept their mouths shut. They saw they would die out in time without change. When they learned that the leaders were going to send people far away to a place called DC, they saw their chance. They managed to get Lyons to be the leader ( maybe he was in on it) and managed have Arthur Jonathan Maxson sent with him. Once Lyons was far enough away he starts a program to let in knew blood. Making sure Arthur Jonathan learned first hand the benefit that comes from it. In hopes that once they finish their original mission, contact MWBoS, get new tech and deal with new super mutants. They would return to the Original BoS. Some BoS could not be convinced and they became the Outcast. Jonathan Maxson has a son Arthur. Jonathan and his wife die (we don't know how) and Lyons continues to teach Arthur. Once Lyons feels Arthur is old enough, Lyons or Sara will return to lost hills with him.

Not that all would return. No doubt many would stay to maintain the DC region. Returning with an Arthur Maxson that sees the benefit of change would help the BoS. IMO the Western BoS are dying out because they will not change. They follow the Codex. They don't change the Codex because it is against the Codex or they are stuck in the past. They don't have a MAXSON leading them. The only one that can change the Codex IMO is a Maxson. So once Arthur returns with his mind opened from his time in DC, he can then change the Codex and allow change to come to the BoS.

Edited for errors in Timeline.

Why does a Maxson have to be in-charge? As backward as the Brotherhood are - societal-wise - they didn't strike me as the type to be governed by a liniege. If Maxson was sent away with the Brotherhood... whenever - seriously, he's a kid and I thought that Lyon's left 20 years ago? - then clearly he wasn't all that important to the Brotherhood or the Codex.

Why does Maxson have to be in-charge? As backward as the Brotherhood are - societal-wise - they didn't strike me as the type to be governed by a liniege. If Maxson was sent away with the Brotherhood... whenever - seriously, he's a kid and I thought that Lyon's left 20 years ago? - then clearly he wasn't all that important to the Brotherhood or the Codex.

Maxsons do end up being the leaders. Starting with Roger, then his son and then John Maxson. Even if they don't make Arthur the leader, his voice would still carry weight when it comes to making changes. Roger Maxson created the BoS so I don't see any BoS not carring about his last descendant. Arthur's Father (Jonathan Maxson) was a high-ranking Paladin.

Yeah you are right. Lyons left for DC in 2254 and Arthur Maxson was born in 2267, parents Jonathan and Jessica (deceased).

Ok then. Lyons wanting to show the others back west the benifits of adding new blood to Fallout returns with Arthur Maxson. He is a Maxson his word would carry weight.

The Original BoS would still care about the news that Jonathan Maxson died and they would care about Arthor being born.

Updated Last post to to account for my mistake.

They're way too goody-goody for that.

Whose to say Maxon wouldnt want to return to the West of his own vlolition and talke some BoS, or even depending on the circumstances, Outcasts with him?
Maxon may want to see the places that his relatives talk about in holotapes and himself try to keep the Maxon name in a figurehead position.
Bringing Eastern BoS back to the fold, or even re-uniting those sperated divisions could bring about a re-surganceo of the BoS. If we have MW BoS recuiting, Lyons Goup helping citzens and even the hidden bunker group even considering changing the ways, if anyone is in a position to reform the BoS, it would be him- provided the stage was set the right way.

I dont see why it would have to be one way or the other, a whole lot can happen, so why exclude reasonable possibility?

Not really. Neither Elder Lyons or Sarah Lyons seem particularly interested in establishing a government, in fact the Brotherhood seems content to let Rivet City take charge during Broken Steel. I foresee Elder Lyons' Brotherhood becoming something like what the Desert Rangers were in the west before they were absorbed into the NCR. An organization of individuals who seek out and deal with perceived injustices, but are not an official arm of any government. Chances are Rivet City will be the ones to take control and establish their own government in the Capital Wasteland.

I agree, why would the Brotherhood even be able to govern anywhere? They are a society of soldiers and people who improve soldiers gear, they have no experience at governance and when they first get the chance to do something like that, eg, distributing the water from Project Purity they just palm it off onto Rivet City rookies so they can keep playing war with the not-Enclave.

Owen or Sarah Lyons showed no signs of letting power ruin their way of thinking. Even the young Maxon kid has only seen Lyons form of rule.

There already could be a darker bos in the mid west..........

I hope Bethesda taps into that in Fo4.

Lyons bos needs more time to build strength. Jumping 10 years in fo would be bad. The more years that pass the less fo fo can be.

If I m Bethesda Im tapping the Barneky sp? ending of fo tactics, and making it take place 1 year after fo nv. This way the major players across the US are set. Southern US needs gone over, and I d also like to see the New England States and alot of Canada brought into the mix, but no 10 year time leaps. 1 year max......... Time is not a friend of fo.

The bos has governed them selves from the begining. You see Lyons bos collecting pre war books, helping 3 dog spread news. Free press.... Lyons having Rivit city help with the water is whag governments do. As Lyons says all bos assets are being used against the Enclave. Fo3 Enclave slaps bos almost everytime they see them.

Enclave had to be dealt with first, but Lyons shows he can walk and chew gum by distributing water and fighting a war at the same time.

Bethesda made Owen Lyons the goodest and smartest good guy ive seen in a good long while.

I don't think the CW BoS would go for being the ones in charge of governance, or even style themselves as kingmakers. More likely, they'd be similar to what they are now; an elite order of warrior-scholars. I can see them having connections to power, but not being the ones in charge. They will grow and expand though, thats a given, and may take on more duties and causes, but I'd bet they distance themselves from authority outside their own territory.

Okay, maybe not 10 years.

But give them a few more decades, and I'm sure there will be some ne'er-do-wells climbing through the ranks.

Evil flocks to power like moths to a light.

If there's people marching through the wasteland with shiney laser guns and power armour, there will be a certain percentage of the populace who will want to position themselves at the front of that force.

Although, with the Brotherhood's recruiting habbits, it may be difficult for someone of the type to get in, let alone climb the ranks.

I guess my answer would be... maybe?

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