Duude whats the point of this thread?? The Dragons are already in so what do u think this post will change??

Well said, My Lord.

I never liked dragons in ANY game to begin with. So I certainly woudn't mind if they were changed for something more original.

Seriously? You're aware even if that book did not exist all the major events in it would still be cannon right? Greg Keyes was paid to write the story. Bethesda gave him a outline for the general story and major points for him to reveal in the book. And anything and everything he wrote and wanted to add to the lore had to be approved by Bethesda.

I'm just amazed you would give up a new Elder Scrolls game to... Get Morrowind back I assume? If that's the case, I'll have you know the destruction of Morrowind was foretold In Morrowind. With the main quest, 36 lessons of Vivec, and common sense. I'm not attacking you or anything just making sure you know what's up and that all that wasn't just done for the lulz.

And if you had mounted combat, wouldn't you want some type of lance?



They weren't special in Morrowind, but they were there. Let me compare them to a piece or armor. If Skyrim didn't let you have helmets, that'd be pretty weird, right? But shouldn't you be happy with all the other pieces of armor they let you use? Just because helmets are arguable the most important piece of armor in history, and one of the few that is still used by many modern militaries. If Bethesda spent 1/10 the tenth the time they've spent on dragons, we could have spears that work like they do in 300 or Troy, an opener weapon that you use to keep an enemy at bay, and can throw before taking out your main weapon.

As for werewolves: Are you able to be a werewolf in Skyrim?

"We're fans of that stuff as well, and we're currently messing with all that. I don't want to commit to, 'here are the things you can change into and what they're like right now.' Not because we're not doing it, or not attempting to. I just don't know honestly where that's going to end up and how deep we're going to get into that."

As to why they are important. Werewolves have been mentioned countless times in the lore, been playable at least twice, and Skyrim is apparently home to more than any other province, including the most common werebeast there, the werebear. So it would be like having Morrowind without Dunmer.



Every ES I've played as had boats as a static decoration. Morrowind they were given a use as fast travel, in Daggerfall, you could buy one as a home. In Oblivion, there was a quest where you got taken out to sea. There are ships in big harbors, and tiny boats tied up to docks in many lakes and streams. The Nords are influenced by the medieval Scandinavians (ie vikings) whose culture was largely dependent on sea based warfare and trade.

In addition, travel by ship is a common theme in many legendary stories, such as Sinbad and The Odyssey, which aside from modern sources such as Tolkien are the most important literary influence on adventure RPGs. It's the perfect mix of danger and freedom. A ship in the harbor is safe, but that's not what ships are for.

You would give up dragons for spears??? I wouldn't give up dragons for anything! Final!

You would give up dragons for spears??? I wouldn't give up dragons for anything! Final!

I agree with the OP...when I think about it, I really don't care about dragons, I don't know what features I would trade them for.....mounted combat maybe?

Give up dragons?

For spears? Or boats?

Heck no.

I would give up dragons for Morrowind II.

I would, dragons seem like a lame excuse to ignore the blaring missing content. the novility of dragons is not worth the amount of time that todd howard suggested was put into them.

I am really excited about the dragons. The descriptions from Todd plus the screens really do it for me. But, I think I would be willing to trade them for the ability to download player mods over xbox live.

"Let's not make this "official", Outlander. Move along".

Well-played good sir. I didn't even consider that. I would almost trade all in-game content for the CS and mod capability on console. Give me a big, empty snowy playground to mess with!

I would give up dragons for larger map size or to add underwater life.

This thread has shown me how absolutely mind boggling the Morrowind fanbase can be. C'mon, I loved Morrowind and Daggerfall, but I'm not looking for a reskinned version of it.

Really, who wants a rehashed game these days? There's a MILLION of them out there that just use the same formula all the time. We get spoiled with lore, great features, content, and solid expansions (not just a pile of day one DLC). The fact you guys are willing to give up plot, lore, and 2 years of development for crap a freakin' modder can implement (like mounted combat even though 60% of the time you're in a dungeon/tomb/cave) is just pathetic. Take off the nostalgia goggles.

.. more complicated and deep RPG.

Yes, because I so miss the mounted combat, boats, and other features people have requested here that were in Morrowind...

Spears are from Morrowind, but they were as hollow as every other weapon. Now that weapons get decent animation and perks, spears have the potential to be incredibly cool, and they've thrown that potential away.

And werewolves are just as much as part of the the lore as dragons (if not as important to the "history" of the world) especially in Skyrim. And yet those too, look like they are being ignored.

Except spears are a very simple weapon, and are mainly used for roles of war (smaller battles a spear isn't useful, but an entire army with spears poses a threat). So a very static weapon designed for a specific purpose wouldn't actually fit the combat at all if you think about it.

Also, it hasn't been confirmed that there won't be Werewolves. They're trying to implement them, it's just whether or not it'll be on par with their standards and will see it into the game (if not I wouldn't be surprised if it came out in an expansion).

Not everyone here is a PC gamer so not every is available to these mods you speak of and never will be...
You have to keep that in mind next time you post..

Alot of people want something other than dragons because not everyone likes dragons, I accually hate dragons because I got so sick and tired of my friend talking about her were dragon characters day in and day out with stuff I rather not have known that she wants to do with them-__- so ya not everyone wants dragons so its alright if they want something diffrent, like me I would want werewolves and mounted combat in instead of dragons because if it was up to me I would have scrapted Dragons and spent those 2 years improving or putting in better ideas *imho* like werewolves and improving on them and mounted combat and better magic (tho seems we are getting the magic part* and polearms, or just improved on ALL of that and everything I could instead of taken 2 whole years doing something that i give little to no crap about

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ufv9C8RVq1Q&feature=fvsr

Obviously this has been ritualized/choreographed, and many of the moves could not be easily animated/controlled in a video game, but you get a sense for how a spearman can fight against someone one on one.

Love maybe?

I never knew choreographed fighting with no weight behind the blows and intent of killing was a likely replacement for visceral combat.

As for the console people, it doesn't make the argument anything different. You're still willing to replace lore, story, and 2 years of well developed Dragons (which has already been stated are different from the traditional take on a Dragon) for very MINOR things for aesthetic purposes.

That's not true at all, and like it has been said many times in this thread alone, spears are easily the best weapons for taking on dragons, mammoths, bears. etc.

Why would they have to remove dragons to add spears, werewolves, etc.?
This poll makes no sense at all.