You're assuming creature AI is strong enough these days to employ that kind of awareness? A spear keeps things at bay because of reach, AI isn't going to care about that. Even if that were the case, it definitely wouldn't be a weapon of choice for Dragons. Not having a shield in that situation would be a grave mistake. Also, spear tactics for hunting in those instances that you mention are generally done with a GROUP of people so as to surround (again, spears really aren't a one on one weapon of choice, and definitely not a one vs several situation).

Where are these numbers coming from?

Standing away and poking a dude with a stick = spear combat.

They don't I would just like both but prefer werewolves over dragons anyday

I think that the dragons in Skyrim will be wonderful, and I'd be loath to lose them, but...

Companions. Proper companions, who have a backstory, who have links to the gameworld, who have opinions on your character's actions. Supportive, dismissive, sarcastic, excited, stark-staring mad... Companions with character!

I think I'd give up dragons for that.

It's a hypothetical. A thought experiment. I know, thinking. It burnssss.



I said it had been choreographed, as many martial arts trainings are. But if you're suggesting that if all of sudden, those men decided to kill each other, that the spearman would somehow be helpless, I have to disagree. And yes, we would replace lore and two years of well developed dragons for other lore (such as werewolves) and other well developed aspects, so that they are not just minor, aesthetic things, but as integral to the game as dragons are now.



Their creature AI has already said to have been improved. Animals don't have to "know" that a spear is closer or farther to them, as soon as you hit them, they know automatically at what range they are in danger. At some point, if the animal is aggressive enough, it will charge regardless.

And the hunting that's done in groups isn't done that way because of the nature of spears, but the nature of prey being hunted. In fact, I'd wager that a lone man armed with spears has a better chance against a mammoth than any number of men armed with swords or axes or clubs, not counting the use of traps/pits.

Not sure what you're rattling on about here, I just meant that you'd be able to keep a safe distance as opposed to having to be face to face with the thing trying to maul you.


You know that one-handed spears exist, right?


I don't know where you keep getting this false information, spears were used in one on one combat for centuries and were very effective.

As a spearman I can agree that spears aren't very good against multiple opponents, but as for one on one, nope. The spear is a devastating one on one weapon. It's quick and elegant, it's speed is terrifying. As for dragons, shield and spear? The spear is more versatile than people will ever give it credit for. Hunting boar with spears is easy.

Ninja :toughninja: Must grab spear :wink_smile:

I think the thing is, for me at least, that Dragons represent NEW lore and culture tied to it, and not the attempts that we witnessed in Oblivion. This by no means falls under Boring and Therefore Wrong. So, for me personally, I'd stick by this storyline even if Skyrim the Game became the 2011 equivalent to Redguard in its mechanics and flow. Because at the end of the day, Morrowind would not have been what it was to me without its plots and how they overarchingly affected the world. It still would have been fun, but by no means the same. The same would hold true for me regarding Skyrim.

We've seen werewolves. We've seen spears. And while mounted combat, boats, and other aesthetics would be cool, they're not worth much if you tear out the roots.

Obviously, someone who holds a different ratio between gameplay and story is going to disagree with me, but eh.

So, let me get this straight. You want something that's implemented in a previous game for nostalgia and variety purposes, but then proceed to list off nothing but completely hypothetical situations and say things that weren't implemented before, and likely wouldn't be implemented now as backup?

Spears (unless the bulky Viking esque thrown variant) would be a two hander like you could anticipate. Going on so many "if"s and "but"s should make your head hurt.

Bottom line here, is it's a freakin' game. It would be implemented as such. They're not motion capturing all the different styles of combat, and expanding AI to real life levels.

I would perfer dragons, I'm just defending spears. You can't just spread disinformation without expecting some retaliation, who do you think you are Glenn Beck?
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I want something that would add a whole new variety to the gameplay experience and combat in general, and you're absolutely right that I was listing off hypothetical situations just like every one else on this entire forum since we know very little about the game.


Nobody said they were, or even asked for that. :shrug:

... for necromancy.

Then what's the point of using those hypothetical situations as part of your argument if they would not or could not be implemented in a timely manner in a game?

Ugh, I give up.

Good thing, since you obviously haven't been reading any posts, seeing as I never said anything about implementing any sort of AI or motion-capturing combat styles.

Thank god I can tell you like to argue, which is fine but you seemed to have gotten alittle over your head when talking about this stuff, sure alot of us would like this or that to be replaced instead of dragons but we all know that won't happen, they might add in the stuff like werewolves,spears but we won't know for now

I will not give up, only add new and improve anything with mods

You'd have spears rather than dragons? You gotta be f-ing kidding me...

I said this in another thread, but any dragon that gets killed by a spear has to be the dumbest [censored] dragon ever born. You can fly! You can breathe fire! This is not complicated stuff to work out.

Using that logic every single weapon is useless against dragons. So I guess in that case we'll never actually defeat dragons, just run away the entire game. :ahhh:

Well of course you wouldn't want to give up dragons. You'd be out of a job Dragon Stalker.

Those things aren't "out" in trade for Dragons, they all have specific reasons for not being in the game, and some aren't even confirmed out.

It sounds like dragons are going to be cool so I'm not too worried, the things they are leaving out they are probably leaving out for good reasons - not because of some priority list in which dragons were at the top.

A completely open world.

*Dragon balls

but theres one they fear, in their tongue he is Dovahkiin, BORN!!! doesn't really have the same ring to it does it?

really you are pretty much asking to give up the whole storyline dragonshouts and most of the content of the game for a few little things that dont matter much