Fallout-version of Iron Sky?

Ughhhhhh please for the love of God no. Maybe just maybe if obsidian or bethesda does a fallout set in the city of chicago then perhaps then I wouldn't mind enclave content. But until then leave fallout 4 enclave-less.

Not really,having only one base is never smart ,if it is gone it is gone ,and enemy counter intelligence could have found the base and nuked it,or it could have been damaged by chance by the after effects of the war,an infection or well a tribal guy could have destroyed it....

If the enclave was smart they would have had multiple populated bases so if one was down the other ones could still operate fine.

Well they don't, they have one populated base and the ones they later populated were all destroyed. There isn't a vast network of Enclave bunkers with large populations, there was one massive base that held the population and it was destroyed with most of the population.

Control Station Enclave was built JUST for key members of the United States Government, the entire Enclave commanding structure and other V.I.Ps, it's literally Greenbrier which is the presidential bunker built during the cold war in Virginia but on the water. The Enclave was going to use the vaults as what you want but the xenophobia that bred within Control Station Enclave lead to the Enclave just using them for experiments.

Yeah what part of "remnants" isn't clear? It's what's left of the US government. If they were smart enough to have multiple bases they would have been smart enough to not get the country nuked into dust.

I voted bring em back in full force because I'd rather see that than more of this toasters are people theme we've gotten for 4.

They were smart, hence why the Enclave had a hand in the creation of the Vaults and hence why they had the all clear code to open up the vaults.

you mean the vaults they designed to kill everyone? Yeah great plan.


-Destroy own country

-Murder own people

-Make no attempt to rebuild

-Profit?

Except that wasn't the original purpose, the Enclave did that because hundreds of years of isolation lead them to believe they were the only ones fit to rule over the wasteland. Pre-war Enclave had a huge hand in the Vault system, even the vaults that were built for experiments were built to test and study how humans would react to certain conditions of re-colonizing earth.

The original idea was that Control Station Enclave would serve as the retreat for high ranking V.I.Ps, Vault 0 serves as the monitoring system of the vaults and the vaults served either as shelters where humans can live out the apocalypse and rebuild (in the case of Vault City) and to experiment on humans to better understand the human nature, how the people can adapt to different circumstances and various other experiments.

OK. First, take the time in your post title to spell out "you" and spell "Harbor" correctly. People might take you a bit more seriously. Second, don't post a poll, then say polls don't matter because you don't get the outcome you want. Third, we get it, you like the Enclave. Not everyone does, and Bethesda isn't known for repeating concepts in games, and when they do, they change them quite a bit. Fourth, don't be rude.

To get what you want, buy a good PC, get the Creation Kit, and get to work. In about two years, faster if you can get someone to help you, you can make your own fully fleshed out Enclave DLC. When you do, I'll gladly play it.

- it time for the "master race" to enter the fallout world

- Enclave should make an appearance similar to BoS in F:NV

Originally there was various COG facilities across the United States. Eden however, states that in the decades following the war, they all rallied to the Oil Rig. He terminal was literally the monitor of the network of COG facilities, and he observed as they all departed for the west.

In Fallout 2, Richardson says that "Soon the staff of the ENCLAVE and Navarro will be inocculated." Considering they were about to drop a world-wide virus to wipe out all humanoid life, its pretty clear that no Enclave bases existed aside from those two locations at that point. Otherwise The Enclave would have been wiping out their own people.

Yes but they'll still be the Enclave. We don't call the BoS on the easy something different compared to the west. The BoS in Fallout 4 is a mixture of the west and east taking both ideals and creating one. They allow outsiders in to keep them going. Even Maxson realize the only way the BoS can survive is if they recruit. All I'm saying is the Enclave can still have some of their ideals but possible use slaves as soldiers to do their dirty work.

The goal of Maxson in Fallout 4 was to get rid of the Institute and create a better life for those in the commonwealth.

You release I couldn't because I created max symbols for a title? Oh its like you never posted a topic before...

I wouldn't mind them back as long as they're wearing the same/similar armors they wore in Fallout 3 and not those god awful hunchback of Notre Dame cockroach armors like in NV.

At least Fallout 4 improved the APA design significantly. Made it look much closer to its appearance in Fallout 2.

I agree it was horrible looking in New Vegas though.

No their called the BoS because still hold the ideas and beliefs of the BoS. They want to prevent the abuse of technology nothing more. And Maxson don't care about the Commonwealth he just want to stop the Institute. Changing the Enclave views means they are only the Enclave in name.

One thing that bothers me about fallout 4 is why the hell is the X0-1 in the commonwealth .. from a lore point it makes no sense. an Enclave faction would atleast make some sense to why this armor is scattered

Yet at the end of the game Maxson wants to help the commonwealth..

Maxson does not want to help the Commonwealth, Maxson wants to save humanity from themselves. Those two things are not necessarily in line with each other.

Even if it could have both, there's no reason for the official downloadable content from bethesda right now to have the enclave. They were annihilated by the lone wanderer by him/herself what's the point? They're a dying old faction that's part of the old era. Their president is dead and it's time to move on. They lost to one person, like they have nothing left to give at this point.

I just want new faction or flesh out some that hasn't been fleshed out. In Far Harbor i'm expecting the children of atom to be fleshed out for this game and hopefully the gunners are fleshed out too. Because they're lacking more than the Talon Company.

Good way to put Enclave to rest is to have the devs actually create DLC content that explains what happens to the Enclave and that there's no bases left, etc.

But then they will have people clamoring to rebuild the enclave lol

Let's bring back Attila the hun, we can say they cloned him from a petrified yak turd.

Besides the fact Maxson constantly talks how how he hates seeing people forced to live such miserable lives and wants to help them.

They still want to cleanse the commonwealth from all nonhumans.

When meeting Maxson for the first time he even admits he cares about the people of the Commonwealth.