I agree with this. The Enclave is no different then US Goverment at one point or another. Let's not pretend America doesn't have a history of doing terrible things to people who are "different"

Your optimism about the amount of people who agree with you is absurd.

Yea it's easy to say "there are millions who want the enclave back!" when you can't actually prove it. Again, you're the minority here not the majority.

What small group are you talking about? The small group in a forum that doesn't even represent 10% of the fanbase or the millions of people who don't know about the forum?

lol, this forum is really dominated by old time fallout and bethesda fans, it doesn't represent a real cross section, most people never played fallout 1 and 2, so to them the enclave isn't played out, its only played out to the minority who played fallout 1 and 2, those old games only sold 400 thousand units combined, thats a very small minority, there's millions of people who play fallout who never heard of the enclave so to them the enclave would be a new faction, and all the fallout 3 fans only saw them once, 3 fallout games ago, so by the time fallout 5 comes out and the enclave are a faction it will be a totally new experience to them.

Yes, people who don't know about the Bethesda forum. The forum featured on Bethesda's website, the official forum, the forum everyone is said to get too when they need help with technical stuff. Again your argument is really bad when you can't prove a damn thing. This isn't No More Mutants, this isn't some small obscure forum that is only found by combing through IRC logs or reddit posts, this is literally the official fallout forums.

Millions huh?

Well I'm glad they've all communicated their wishes to you and are lucky enough have you as a spokesman.

Its pretty easy looking at all the youtube videos about the Enclave and speculations about them returning. They have way more votes then a small forum.

Sorry to say just like I pointed out with the GTA single player a forum is meaningless when it comes to representations of its fans. Its only a representation of its hardcoe fans.

hardcoe fans =/= more profit

So you're implying that this forum has at least 25% of its total fanbase in it? I truly like to see the numbers of who join.

Most don't waste their time on forums.

Forums are for more dedicated hardcoe fans of a franchise. Show me the numbers. This forum better have 25% or higher to be consider anything more than a hardcoe franchise fan forum.

your argument doesn't work, simple math proves most people have not seen the enclave at all or only once in a fallout game, fallout 1 and 2 only sold 400,000 units combined TOTAL, its not possible for the millions and millions up to 25 to 30 million who purchased fallout 3 and 4 to be "burned out" on the enclave its not even possible, its only possible for the people who played the first 2 fallout games, so its not mathematically possible for "most people to be burned out on the enclave" its ONLY possible for the small group [small minority] who played fallout 1 and 2 and that represent likes 1% of the people who play fallout if that even.

Of course its not possible. He's also one of those people who believe a forum represents 25% or more of the fanbase.

A forum is a place for hardcoe fans of a franchise. They're usually way less than 10% of total sales...

Sure, I'll be happy to provide the numbers after I see an exact ledger for those millions of fans rioting for The Enclave's return.

But that is the beauty of it. To have our hero be lied to by a group that we know is evil to the core and have the hero put the pieces together through the DLC of what the truth is would allow for us, the player, to see how evil groups can put on a pretty face and doubt people. As for casting Nazis in a positive light you aren't because by the end of the DLC the truth is revealed to the hero and to any new players. Plus as you go the history of FO2 and 3, or whichever Fallout games had Enclave in them be put out there for the new players. And in future DLCs you could have them "try" to convince the hero that they have seen the error of the ways of their former masters. But in truth be working to rebuild.


Either way it is possible to bring back a classic villain in a new way to slow burn them back to the spotlight.


Never should a company just drop a huge piece of their mythos entirely. And just sitting here in one night I, a non-game designer, have thought up more than one way to slowly bring them back with a new face. The fact is as a DLC they should be brought back slowly so that in future games they can be a force to have to deal with if so desired and by being DLC content if you are tired of Enclave then don't get it.

All I'm saying is you guys believe that this forum represents around 25% or more of the franchise and in truth it doesn't even come close to 10%.

Just like I used the GTA Single Player.

Talk about GTA Single Player DLC and how online is terrible and the majority will agree with you on said forum. Now do it away from hardcoe fans and guess what. You're in the minority...

That's how forums work... What do developers and publishers truly listen to? The Majority why? More profit..

You're right, I'm sure the majority of players want to fight Team Rocket again.

If we see The Enclave again. We'll just be blowing them up. You know that right? I mean, if you like The Enclave, get ready for your favorite faction to get served once more.

We already have Gary in 5 installments yet no one is tired with them on here...

I believe Bethesda learn their lesson with black and white factions. There is no bad faction in Fallout 4. There are some in the gray area and one good one...

I don't see the point in using a faction that's been used 3 times already. I know and agree the BoS are overused as well and I actually wouldn't mind a Fallout without them in it. And is there even a way we can bring them back and have it fit the lore? Unless they was some kind of secret vault that was never mentioned I don't see one. We gave them crap for screwing up lore in Fallout 4 so why encourage that more by saying "screw the lore! Give me the Enclave!"

I'm not trying to speak for anyone but myself. I have to say no to the Enclave.

If you mean The Brotherhood, yes, there's plenty of people tired of them.

Synths are considered as tools by the Institute, abominations by Maxson's Brotherhood, and sapient beings that need to be protected by the Railroad. The entire reason why the Brotherhood is in the Commonwealth is to destroy every last Synth.

The forums give a random representation of everyone that is interested in Fallout 4. If a poll is conducted by a random selection of 200 people and 30% didn't want any more Enclave, 55% didn't care, and 15% wanted more Enclave, then out of everyone interested in Fallout 4, about 30% don't want any more Enclave, 55% don't care, and 15% want more Enclave.

Correction. There is no playable bad faction in Fallout 4. Gunners, Raiders, and Super Mutants are bad factions.

The forums represent a small hardcoe fanbase to your franchise. As I already pointed out with GTA and its forum. How the majority hate online on there yet everywhere else the majority prefer online. It isn't close to random representation to everyone.

Question for you guys. Many outside of the Fallout forums believe this is by far one of the worst RPG Fallout games. I bet the majority of you would disagree on that. You see how it doesn't come close to represent the real fanbase?

As someone who has never been played a Fallout with Enclave in it I can say that any completely black and white faction is not a good faction to retain over several games. But a former black and white faction can be OK for DLC content, and keep in mind this thread asked if it should be DLC content. It could be good DLC content because through the DLC content of a few installments of the game you could move them into the grey area and make them more dimensional. Maybe even set up for a civil war for the future of the Enclave.

You don't know this forum very well then.

That's what I'm some what saying when I first made this thread. Its a DLC with a optional choice to join the Enclave. We see all these power armors and etc.. all over the commonwealth. That tells us the Enclave been there. They're not a big force like in Fallout 2 and 3.

Even the BoS was force to change their ideals to keep them relevant. Yet many people want the Enclave to always be the evil faction.

The only appeal of the Enclave to me is that they're a useful way to shoehorn more advanced tech into the game. Therefore I think one or two locations with Enclave tech and some environmental storytelling would be ideal. Not only would it make no sense to bring them back in any meaningful way, I just find them to be quite bland. They're evil bastards who I think are too easy to hate to be all that interesting. New Vegas handled the Enclave perfectly and gave them a great send off, so let's leave them be.