even though hes offically dead as he gave his life to create nirn,which i don't think is true i would love to see him in a game he's like the burned man of the elder scrolls universe hes mysterious and badass.
what are your opinions?

"But when Trinimac and Auriel tried to destroy the Heart of Lorkhan it laughed at them. It said, 'This Heart is the heart of the world, for one was made to satisfy the other."

Lorkhan is really only dead physically. His spirit kinda sits around in Nirn.

He can't really die fully until Nirn is destroyed

Lorkhan's divine body (The moons Masser and Secunda which can be seen every night in Tamriel) have been dying ever since his heart was torn from them and put in its natural place (Mundus: the World).

In a sense, Tamriel is the body of Lorkhan now, and his spirit shows up in a person every now and then (ex. Pelinal Whitestrake, King Wulfharth and other heroes of Men).

According to the Lunar Lorkhan theory, the moons are his dead flesh, and it is just his divine spark (heart, mostly) that inhabits the Mundus, which is built out of other spirits.

In a sense, we already have met him (speaking to Wulf at Red Mountain, or Pelinal in Knights of the Nine). If you would like to speak to a more "whole, coherent" version of him, you may have to wait for a while.

Of course, you never know what new avatars of Shor will show up in a week, in Skyrim.

I was always under the impression that Wulf was an avatar of Talos, which may or may not be true. Lorkhan makes sense too. But this brings up the question: How much is Lorkhan/Shezarr a part of Talos and how much is Talos his own entity?

Talos, of course, is multifaceted (Enantiomorph, and so on). One of those 'facets' is 'Wulfharth', an avatar of Shor.

Who knows, we may even be Shor in Skyrim o_O

This is why my first character in Skyrim is going to traverse the land for KNOWLEDGE!!!

But everyone's been blabblin' the Nine's names! Too much Akatosh.

Well, looks there I have another goal on my main's play; kill every Niner.

So we did literally speak with Shor then. I mean Pelinals ghost spoke to us. If we take him being a shezarrine as truth then we just basically spoke to Shezarr. I mean, Shezarrines ARE beings that know they are part of Shezarr correct? As in they have understanding of exactly what they are right?

From this Pelinal quote, I would guess: yes.

"... and left you to gather sinew with my other half, who will bring light thereby to that mortal idea that brings [the Gods] great joy, that is, freedom, which even the Heavens do not truly know, [which is] why our Father, the... [Text lost]... in those first [days/spirits/swirls] before Convention... that which we echoed in our earthly madness. [Let us] now take you Up. We will [show] our true faces... [which eat] one another in amnesia each Age." -The Song of Pelinal Volume 8: On His Revelation at the Death of the Al-Esh



On the other note, considering that gamesas specifically mentioned Shor as the god of the Nords of Skyrim in the whole Sovngarde/Solstheim arc, you would really think he would have been mentioned in Skyrim more by now.

I'm starting to think the dragons the Nords used to worship are Shor, Kyne, Tsun, ect (I think I said I believe this a while back).,, maybe Thirk was essentially backwater and followed the old pantheon due to lack of contact. Then again, Bruma Nords laughed at the Nine.

Do we have any Nordic texts that aren't from the First Era (aside from the Heresy) that mention Shor? I'll be pissed if Shor ends up as a "bad god" they used to worship and they now end worship the Nine Divines. Especially if we can't change it.

Edit: Though Kyne is mentioned in Lord of Souls.

Edit 2: Hopefully it's simply because 90% of players don't know what a Shor or Kyne is, but they know Stendarr. So Stendarr gets mentioned by players, but this "Shor" fellow? Not worth mentioning.

Not pissed, I'd be flipping furious. I would likely rage quit immediately if Shor was "the bad god."

Someone on the story and/or dev team would have completely dike whipped everything about the nords and Shor.

Shor has been mentioned, though. He has a town named after him. First place I'm heading.

But seriously, it's starting to feel like Shor is to the Nords as Azura is to the Dunmer. He's okay, but Talos, but not Ysmir, is better! Like the Tribunal to the "Good Daedra." How needs "Kyne" when you get Kynareth.

Beth better not make Skyrim into Oblivion with how shallow things got :flame:

"According to the ancient writings and oral traditions of the Nords, going back as far as the Late Merethic Era, there exists a place so magnificent, so honored, that the entrance lies hidden from view. Sovngarde, it is called, built by the god Shor to honor those Nords who have proven their mettle in war... just how well hidden the entrance to Sovngarde is has been a matter of much scholarly debate, and there are those who believe Shor's great hall is just a myth, for there are no actual accounts from Nords who have experienced the wonders of Sovngarde then returned to tell the tale. Not that this has stopped anyone from looking. Some Nords spend a lifetime searching for the mysterious hidden entrance to Sovngarde. Most return home sad and broken, their hearts heavy with failure. They'll never know the pleasure of a mead flagon that never empties, or a wrestling tournament without end.

What, some may ask, does the entrance to Sovngarde have to do with death? Everything, according to a series of ancient parchments recently discovered in the attic of a deceased Nord's home in Cyrodiil." - Sovngarde, a Reexamination

The entire home of Shor Sovngarde-searching thing is recent, and does not simply apply to the Nords of Solstheim. The broader Nords are supposed to be very aware of Shor.

Taking Shor out of Skyrim would be off-the-charts simplification. It isn't like Lorkhan is just in the Sermons of Vivec or just the books; he is a constant presence in the main quests (Heart of Lorkhan, Mankar's "This Heart is the Heart of the World, for one was made to satisfy the other" Lorkhan spiel). To remove Lorkhan from the only location where he is supposed to be worshiped ...

... yeah, I would be pissed.

We'll see. :dry:

As I said, there appears to be a town named "Shor's Stone." So it shows they aren't simplifying anything.

I'm just hoping it's because most people don't know that there are other Aedric-based pantheons, so they don't know that a NPC just mentioned a god when they hear a Nord say "Kyne".

Shor is a genocidal maniac. That's not villain material?

Genocidal against mer. That's perfectly fine, if not downright pure good.

Actually, I won't have a problem with it if the Nine Divines are finally more developed. And they certainly seem to be doing that, now. Maybe the Nords worship a fusion of the two pantheons, folding the Shor aspects into someone else, like Talos?

They already have Ysmir for that. No need to fuse Talos, Ysmir, and Shor all into package.

The Eight Divines was a Alessian/Cyrodiilic invention for Cyrodiil only. The singular reason why the Nords would be worshiping the Eight Divines is if Tiber's Empire had somehow influenced them into it over time. Not to mention the book "Varieties of Faith in the Empire" does not have the Nords worshiping a single Cyrodiilic deity by the name used in Cyrodiil. Shor/the Nordic Pantheon should still be predominent.

Unless if they all changed their minds since Morrowind.

I'm confused... why is everyone assuming the Nords in Skyrim worship the divines now?

We're not, really. We're just confused as for why a single preview hasn't mentioned the Nordic pantheon. Instead, we keep hearing about the Eight Divines.