Would a republic be a popular form of government?

Post » Tue Aug 07, 2012 4:52 pm

I know a republic doesn't exist in Tamriel. (Except maybe to Forbear lands in some form) But if a Republic would be introduced to Tamriel, which province would most likely support the idea? I would guess Cyrodiil and Hammerfell...
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Post » Tue Aug 07, 2012 7:50 pm

Isn't the empire a republic?
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Post » Tue Aug 07, 2012 10:54 am

Cyrodiil has known nothing but Kings under divine mandate. Republics are a very Ra'ga idea, and practically forign everywhere else. Would it be popular? Probably not since the only people who matter in politics are the nobles.

Isn't the empire a republic?


Not hardly. The Elder Council doesn't act in the same way as say the Roman or Athenian Senete did.
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Post » Tue Aug 07, 2012 3:41 pm

Cyrodiil has known nothing but Kings under divine mandate. Republics are a very Ra'ga idea, and practically forign everywhere else. Would it be popular? Probably not since the only people who matter in politics are the nobles.
I was wondering. The only reason I guess Cyrodiil would support it because it is loosely based on Rome. Anyways, no doubt that the nobles except for Ra'ga would hate, but how would the civilians feel about if someone manage to spread word of his magnificent "idea"?
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Post » Tue Aug 07, 2012 6:57 am

Isn't the empire a republic?
I believed it is a monarchy. Closes thing it has to a republic would be the Elder council. But no one can vote anyone into it.. So..
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Post » Tue Aug 07, 2012 5:59 am

I was wondering. The only reason I guess Cyrodiil would support it because it is loosely based on Rome. Anyways, no doubt that the nobles except for Ra'ga would hate, but how would the civilians feel about if someone manage to spread word of his magnificent "idea"?

No, no its not heh. It has elements, but is not based on it, I cant stress enough how much Cyrodiil IS NOT like Rome.
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Post » Tue Aug 07, 2012 6:41 am

No, no its not heh. It has elements, but is not based on it, I cant stress enough how much Cyrodiil IS NOT like Rome.
That's why I said loosely. (And most of that is from it's military.) And I know the Forebears are not entirely Republic, just some parts like you said. But I'm also wondering would the commoners like idea of a republic like government if some philosopher wrote a book about it and it spreaded too quick before the nobles got a hold of it?
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Post » Tue Aug 07, 2012 9:34 pm

Yurp. The Roman trappings are hang-on fluff, like the pteurges on their lorica. Cyrodils don't have the aversion to monarchy that the Romans had. Also, slavery. Romans loved them some slavery. Cyrodils, not so much.

Also, OP, strictly speaking, yes, Republics are popular forms of government.

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Post » Tue Aug 07, 2012 8:21 pm

Its a relatively new thought, it may catch with some people but its spread is going to be up to you guys since I'm sure your researching for A Provience Divided. Liberalism even in our world had some pretty strong resistance amoung long established communities who have had nothing but the rule of divine mandate, and its even worse in Tamriel since monarcheis tend to have some real connection to the God's.
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Yurp. The Roman trappings are hang-on fluff, like the pteurges on their lorica. Cyrodils don't have the aversion to monarchy that the Romans had. Also, slavery. Romans loved them some slavery. Cyrodils, not so much.

Also, OP, strictly speaking, yes, Republics are popular forms of government.

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Well in the real word yes, but not so in Tamriel because the nobles would oppose the idea. I'm just asking that would it be supported if the idea of it leaks out to the commoners.
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Post » Tue Aug 07, 2012 3:02 pm

Its a relatively new thought, it may catch with some people but its spread is going to be up to you guys since I'm sure your researching for A Provience Divided. Liberalism even in our world had some pretty strong resistance amoung long established communities who have had nothing but the rule of divine mandate, and its even worse in Tamriel since monarcheis tend to have some real connection to the God's.
Well I was wondering because Gaius have an idea of making his Empire a republic like government and am personally wondering would that somehow work given the monarch's connection to the Gods and the nobles obviously being against it.
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Post » Tue Aug 07, 2012 8:28 am

Well in the real word yes, but not so in Tamriel because the nobles would oppose the idea. I'm just asking that would it be supported if the idea of it leaks out to the commoners.

Nobles didn't neccisarily support it in our world either. Crazy idea ya know, having all those uneducated and unwashed massess directing the fate of nations.

Well I was wondering because Gaius have an idea of making his Empire a republic like government and am personally wondering would that somehow work given the monarch's connection to the Gods and the nobles obviously being against it.


Call him a reveloutionary then. Most people wont reject power handed to them from the top down.
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Post » Tue Aug 07, 2012 7:50 am

Nobles didn't neccisarily support it in our world either. Crazy idea ya know, having all those uneducated and unwashed massess directing the fate of nations.



Call him a reveloutionary then. Most people wont reject power handed to them from the top down.

Well his idea mostly based on the Roman system of Republic. The Senate being rich men who bought themselves a seat and the Plebians, being the lower branch I assumed and is the one elected in by the people.
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Post » Tue Aug 07, 2012 9:05 am

Well in the real word yes, but not so in Tamriel because the nobles would oppose the idea. I'm just asking that would it be supported if the idea of it leaks out to the commoners.

That was a pun.
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Post » Tue Aug 07, 2012 8:46 am

I doubt the common folk are of the right disposition to entertain notions of republics or democracies. Unlike Earth, Tamriel simply doesn't have things like a plethora of classical republics in it's histories upon which a philosopher might call back to, or institutions like the estates-general, or anything resembling a trend towards reducing the powers of monarchs in favor of parliaments or other structures. Tamriel's a place where Gods have ruled as Kings, where an Emperor became an avatar of Akatosh in full view of his people, and where the events of Daggerfall are commonly understood as being Divine Intervention rather than the work of an agent, politics, and the unleashed power of Numidium. A move towards theocracy among the more secular states is more likely than a move to Republicanism.
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Post » Tue Aug 07, 2012 6:03 am

Wasn't the Daggerfall Covenant democratic or something like that?
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Post » Tue Aug 07, 2012 4:33 pm

The Forebears kind of sort of have a Republic going on. But yeah, not really popular in Tamriel.
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Post » Tue Aug 07, 2012 8:09 pm

Wasn't the Daggerfall Covenant democratic or something like that?
As I recall, one of the Zenimax online peeps described the Daggerfall Covenant as being "more democratic than the others." However, given the context of the quote, it most likely refers to the relations between the states that make up the Covenant, and not how those individual states administrate themselves.
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Post » Tue Aug 07, 2012 7:08 pm

Wasn't the Daggerfall Covenant democratic or something like that?
Well I would like to pretend that the Lore of TESO never existed so I'm going to pretend that the Daggerfall covenant wasn't mentioned.. Though they aren't entirely democratric . I assumed the major decisions were made by the majority vote of The Redguard, Breton, and Orcish nobles.
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Post » Tue Aug 07, 2012 4:26 pm

This Daggerfall Covenant doesn't make much sense to me. Orc's, Breton's and Ra'ga allying together? I'm gonna have to take a sceptical stance and say unless it comes from Beth directly that I can't take it into complete account.
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Post » Tue Aug 07, 2012 12:31 pm

Also, there is nothing that would blow our beloved TES 'greyness' to shreds like a republic.

There are very few things in the world people paint black and white these days, but if you put democracy into the mix in TES, people will start painting the world in that fashion. Suburban conception of Democracy always = good, and anything else always = bad is one of the major tenets of mainstream Western morality (unlike most other parts of the world, see BRICs, and so forth).

In short, TES staying TES relies on everyone in power being at least a little bit of an a**hole. Tamriel is portrayed as the "Arena" for a reason. Insert democracy, and in-game morality inevitably tends toward "Save the baby vs. Kick the puppy" dynamics.
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Post » Tue Aug 07, 2012 1:16 pm

Republics and democracy can, of course, be very different things. A republic at it's least egalitarian might just be an aristocracy with less outright nepotism.
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