Would the NCR be able to remove the Deathclaws from Quarry J

Post » Wed May 09, 2012 3:00 pm

I mean, they're the toughest creatures in the Wasteland, with claws that will tear a man in two, with skin that can protect from bullets, they are fast as all hell. It must take a platoon of Vet. Rangers armed with AMRs. Sending in troopers would likely mean the death of an entire platoon.
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CYCO JO-NATE
 
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Post » Wed May 09, 2012 1:43 pm

Idk if they would want to. Besides mining there id think they would be concentrating on the dam or mcCarran
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Post » Wed May 09, 2012 6:34 am

After the war? Possibly, might be cheaper as transporting the materials from the west will cost them more in caravan expenses.
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Post » Wed May 09, 2012 1:33 pm

Maybe quarry junction, but they would just build a new "quarry". And deathclaw's are cute, dont wipe them out - tame them and use them as pets. You could learn alot from the enclave.
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Post » Wed May 09, 2012 2:04 am

And deathclaw's are cute, dont wipe them out - tame them and use them as pets. You could learn alot from the enclave.

Better yet, mind control them and use them as Bio-weapons.
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Post » Wed May 09, 2012 8:16 am

Better yet, mind control them and use them as Bio-weapons.

That was they'r original purpose :spotted owl:
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Post » Wed May 09, 2012 1:53 am

That was they'r original purpose :spotted owl:

Thats my point.

Use them as they were meant to be used. So far the Enclave has been the only faction to figure out how to do that.
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Post » Wed May 09, 2012 1:28 pm

Idk if they would want to. Besides mining there id think they would be concentrating on the dam or mcCarran

No rock from the quarry...no cement. The NCR spent a vast sum of money to fix the Pre-War mining equipment at the Quarry, the railroads in the Mojave, and restore the cement factory in Boulder Springs to operation so they could have concrete for repairing the dam and building fortifications along the Colorado.
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Post » Wed May 09, 2012 11:45 am

I mean, they're the toughest creatures in the Wasteland, with claws that will tear a man in two, with skin that can protect from bullets, they are fast as all hell. It must take a platoon of Vet. Rangers armed with AMRs. Sending in troopers would likely mean the death of an entire platoon.

A platoon of troopers with AP ammo could probably do it. It's not like there's anywhere for deathclaws to hide or jump out at you.

I mean, the courier can do it single-handedly.
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Post » Wed May 09, 2012 5:12 am

I mean, the courier can do it single-handedly.

That's not a good way to think of things. The Courier(Mr. or Miss.) is basically a [censored] superhero.

-Nukeknockout
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Post » Wed May 09, 2012 3:13 pm

They could but Quarry Junction just isn't that high on their "to do list."
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Post » Wed May 09, 2012 3:09 am

No, the NCR can't handle anything unless they throw thousands of troopers to die for it.
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Post » Wed May 09, 2012 10:25 am

No, the NCR can't handle anything unless they throw thousands of troopers to die for it.

And you know that how? They did take Navarro, I don't recall thousands dying to take that, or thousands dying at Helios One.
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Post » Wed May 09, 2012 5:26 am

The NCR took Navarro, The NCR took Helios one, The NCR took hoover dam.
A bunch of Deathclaws are no problem for them.
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Post » Wed May 09, 2012 10:38 am

And you know that how? They did take Navarro, I don't recall thousands dying to take that, or thousands dying at Helios One.
As most had fled to East, I suppose the Enclave only left a small detachment to guard Navarro. The Enclave is a force that wouldn't be taken down by some ignorant peons in a fair fight, it's pretty obvious that Navarro was badly undermanned when the NCR swooped in. Arcade says he was born "years after" oil rig incident, and when Navarro was destroyed he was old enough to have some actual memories of the place. Thus I don't think Navarro was in a good shape then, I imagine a lot of troopers just deserted instead of waiting for inevitable doom.
What I more meant, was NCR can't do a thing without it absurdly outnumbering the enemy, hinting of lacks in strategic thought. Plus the NCR is already stretched thin, the deathclaws will die by other means by the time NCR can spare any time to deal with them.
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Post » Wed May 09, 2012 6:28 am

Hmm, apparently all the blasting at the quarry was keeping the Deathclaws away, so maybe use explosives?
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Post » Wed May 09, 2012 2:33 pm

And you know that how? They did take Navarro, I don't recall thousands dying to take that, or thousands dying at Helios One.

Maybe not "thousands" per sey. But certainly hundreds. The Brotherhood at Helios was outnumbed 15 to 1, and they still held on for awhile. Its just that the NCR kept sending wave after wave of soldiers into the meat grinder.

Same thing for Navarro really, and they had the Brotherhood to back them up at that battle. Not withstanding that Navarro's probably had a skeleton garrison at that point.
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Post » Wed May 09, 2012 4:52 pm

As most had fled to East, I suppose the Enclave only left a small detachment to guard Navarro. The Enclave is a force that wouldn't be taken down by some ignorant peons in a fair fight, it's pretty obvious that Navarro was badly undermanned when the NCR swooped in. Arcade says he was born "years after" oil rig incident, and when Navarro was destroyed he was old enough to have some actual memories of the place. Thus I don't think Navarro was in a good shape then, I imagine a lot of troopers just deserted instead of waiting for inevitable doom.
What I more meant, was NCR can't do a thing without it absurdly outnumbering the enemy, hinting of lacks in strategic thought. Plus the NCR is already stretched thin, the deathclaws will die by other means by the time NCR can spare any time to deal with them.

Even if Navarro as undermanned when NCR took it, the base has very powerful defences. Even a handful of people with Advanced PA can put up one hell of a defence. Yet NCR still managed to take it. They could have lost many doing so but that is never stated.

NCR captured Helios, fighting alot of people in PA armed with energy weapons and gauss rifles. Yet they didn't lose thousands of people.

The NCR troops in the Mojave could take them out. It's just they have way higher priorities then killing some deathclaws. Really what would be the point? What is minned out of the Quarry can't even be sent back to the rest of NCR because the rail line was never finished.

NCR's priorities would first be. Contain the Legion on their side of the Colorado. Hold Hoover Dam. Get control over the Strip and the area around that.


Maybe not "thousands" per sey. But certainly hundreds. The Brotherhood at Helios was outnumbed 15 to 1, and they still held on for awhile. Its just that the NCR kept sending wave after wave of soldiers into the meat grinder.

Same thing for Navarro really, and they had the Brotherhood to back them up at that battle. Not withstanding that Navarro's probably had a skeleton garrison at that point.

Where does it say the Brotherhood helped NCR take Navarro?

NCR out numbered BoS greatly but it's never said how many were killed. Rangers with sniper rifles could handled some deathclaws.

Deathclaws are not as smart as humans. NCR could easly deal with them, if they wanted to, and I doubt hundreds or even thousands would die clearing out the Quarry. A couple Vet Rangers would have no problem.
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Post » Wed May 09, 2012 5:44 am

As most had fled to East, I suppose the Enclave only left a small detachment to guard Navarro. The Enclave is a force that wouldn't be taken down by some ignorant peons in a fair fight, it's pretty obvious that Navarro was badly undermanned when the NCR swooped in. Arcade says he was born "years after" oil rig incident, and when Navarro was destroyed he was old enough to have some actual memories of the place. Thus I don't think Navarro was in a good shape then, I imagine a lot of troopers just deserted instead of waiting for inevitable doom.
What I more meant, was NCR can't do a thing without it absurdly outnumbering the enemy, hinting of lacks in strategic thought. Plus the NCR is already stretched thin, the deathclaws will die by other means by the time NCR can spare any time to deal with them.

They won the first Battle of Hoover Dam and have been holding their own ever since despite being significantly outnumbered by the Legion. They need a large numerical superiority to take out groups like the Enclave and Brotherhood because power armor is a massive force multiplier.
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Post » Wed May 09, 2012 9:46 am

The NCR troops in the Mojave could take them out. It's just they have way higher priorities then killing some deathclaws. Really what would be the point? What is minned out of the Quarry can't even be sent back to the rest of NCR because the rail line was never finished.

Talk to the foreman in Sloan about the Quarry. He tells you the Quarry was re-opened by the NCR to support the Cement factory they refurbished in Boulder Springs. The concrete produced by the factory was to be used to build proper defensive fortifications along the Colorado (and probably for repairs to the Dam long term). When the Deathclaws forced the quarry workers out, the cement factory closed and it's workers were laid off. One would think that Oliver would like to have those bunkers, but apparently not.


NCR's priorities would first be. Contain the Legion on their side of the Colorado. Hold Hoover Dam. Get control over the Strip and the area around that.

That's what they should be....but that's not what Oliver is doing. He is sitting on Hoover Dam happily putting himself into a 23rd century version of Dien Bien Phu.
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Post » Wed May 09, 2012 1:32 am

You ever see what one of those Anti-Materiel Rifles can do to a Deathclaw?
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Post » Wed May 09, 2012 5:11 pm

Deathclaws are not as smart as humans. NCR could easly deal with them, if they wanted to, and I doubt hundreds or even thousands would die clearing out the Quarry. A couple Vet Rangers would have no problem.

I don't doubt that. I'd say it'd have to be a bit more than a couple Veteran Rangers, but a squad or two could probably do it. Provided of course, that they don't get ambushed or get taken by surprise by a Deathclaw attack.

NCR out numbered BoS greatly but it's never said how many were killed.

If I recall correctly, Brotherhood members mention shooting down NCR soldiers until they ran out of ammo and that they "just kept coming" so its safe to say that NCR losses were fairly high. Its just that they have enough men that their disposal that it doesn't hit them as hard. Whereas every man the Brotherhood loses is precious.
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Post » Wed May 09, 2012 12:54 pm

Clearing out the deathclaws from quarry junction is the kinda work that the NCR would contract out to a mercenary, before/during/after the war. The quarry isn't a high priority location, not exactly worth risking an offensive or defensive force, or highly trained and skilled ranger. If the NCR were to get directly involved it would be for support if anything. The only scenario I see the NCR sending a squad to take car of QJ would be if the dam came under severe structural disrepair, and the stone from the quarry becoming a very high valued commodity.

And to be rather honest, any equipment short of what the ranger elite carry wouldn't be very effective against a deathclaw. I certainly wouldn't trust a 5.56MM against a deathclaw.
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Post » Wed May 09, 2012 3:06 pm

Clearing out the deathclaws from quarry junction is the kinda work that the NCR would contract out to a mercenary, before/during/after the war. The quarry isn't a high priority location, not exactly worth risking an offensive or defensive force, or highly trained and skilled ranger. If the NCR were to get directly involved it would be for support if anything. The only scenario I see the NCR sending a squad to take car of QJ would be if the dam came under severe structural disrepair, and the stone from the quarry becoming a very high valued commodity.

And to be rather honest, any equipment short of what the ranger elite carry wouldn't be very effective against a deathclaw. I certainly wouldn't trust a 5.56MM against a deathclaw.
Would you trust 50 5.56s against a Deathclaw?
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Post » Wed May 09, 2012 1:30 am

Would you trust 50 5.56s against a Deathclaw?

No... I'll take .44 Magnum SWC over 5.56.
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