Let's see those damn faithless elves try to take any nord down! For Skyrim!

PS.: HEHEHE

oh and edit you post and delete my quote I found out how to use spoiler tags now.

Really? I could walk in and out of the Isles just fine.

Alik'r!

*stands up*

Pinned down in that god forsaken desert!
Thinkin' if I lay here I may be die, but if I get up, there ain't no maybe about it!
Then one man broke through!
Hoki! (My champion of cyrodiil character)

Well, the CoC would be supposedly gaining the Daedric nature at the expense of his own mortal one.

Mine didn't.

By the time of Skyrim, he's taken the full role of Sheo. He's stuck with the same rules.

Ulfric doesn't care about gold, but about honor.

The empire doesn't care about honor, only gold.

Ulfric doesn't care about anything but freedom, and will kill to acchieve it for his people.
The empire doesn't care about anything but peace, and will let people die -- practically killing people -- to maintain peace...

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Ulfric does not protect non-nords, but does not kill non-nords.

The Empire allows for Talos worshippers to be executed for their beliefs, and kills Talos worshippers for trying to kill those who kill Talos worshippers.

Racism is Skyrim's least problem right now.

Racism did not cause the war.
Or rather -- it did. The Thalmor are the worst sort, and the Nords are the ones suffering the most from the attack.

Because you HAVE realized that the Empire has waged war against Talos-worshippers, right?

THE EMPIRE has waged the war.

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And he still had conscience and control over his body. He just had Daedric powers in the Isles. By the time had fully taken over he was probably trapped in the Isles.
I suppose a good description would be when Mr.Smith takes over peoples bodies in the Matrix but at a much slower rate.

I want to say this, Before Ulfric rose, every human Worshipped Talos openly without justicars and executions, but when he made a fuss about it, the Thalmor decided to take matter in thier hands to destroy this god.
and wat do you prefer? worship talos now and have a second great war, or wait some years, let the empire regain strength for round 2, and worship talos at a later.( or always , just in secret.)

It happens in the Shivering Isles DLC Play it it's really good some would say better than Oblivion was.

Except that the Numidium was required to defeat the Altmer last time, because not even Tiber Septim could do it. Summerset Isle is too well-protected.

It doesn't matter. It is considered canon, no matter whether or not it was completed.

CoC is now the new


All questlines were considered canon according to implied dialogue.

Khajiit are actually on the Aldmeri's side suprisingly. But realistically they want

They seem to be quite capable of standing alone.

Though, their new destruction magic bonus suggests they left their past behind them. :spotted owl:

a note about Hammerfell, there are two unique things that contributed to the victory of the redguard.
1) They were fighting a severely weakened Thalmor force, as they just came back from campaigns against the empire.
2) They had support of of tons of so called "invalids" of the imperial legions, wich were a great help in the fighting,logistics, etc etc.



to regain strength and defeat the Thalmor, wasn't i clear??
wat do you prefer, a World War or a temporary restriction on worshipping.

So who forbade Talos worship again, and for what reason?

Did someone forsake freedom for peace?

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Peace to do what exactly?

I believe that Skyrim could hold off the Aldmeri Dominion. But not defeat it. Skyrim is harsh terrain. It's people are hard and warlike. In my opinion, it would be excrutiatingly hard for the Thalmor to conquer Skyrim. The only advantages the Thalmor would have are numbers and magic. If the native forces are well led (which they would be) terrain can negate a numerical disadvantage. As far as magic goes, it is a major disadvantage to the Nords (who generally distrust magic) but I doubt it's insurmountable.

And, lest we forget. Skyrim is now home to dragons. Any major offensive into Skyrim would have to be planned around huge losses to the overly hostile wildlife let alone frikin dragons. There are countless examples of smaller countries withstanding and ultimately defeating larger invaders. Scotland warred with England for centuries and eventually gained independence. My own country (U.S.) defeated England without winning a major engagement until years into the war.

It's possible (I would even say probable) that the Thalmor are still recovering from their losses against the Empire and Hammerfell. If that's the case, they would need a few years to recover. During this time, Skyrim would recover as well and would make ready for the Thalmor invasion. The hardy, warlike people would drain personnel. The terrain and wildlife would make supply logistics nearly impossible. So yeah, Skyrim could hold out.

Basically the Dominion had the Empire on the ropes at the Imperial City and the Imperials did a 300-esque fighting tactic and wiped out the main Dominon army. So then they were both weak. They both signed the White-Gold Concordant that was a stalemate (basically half time while they rearmed themselves and replenished their losses) The Dominion wanted the banning of the worship of Talos. The human who ascended to join the Gods. The Empire signed that treaty but they probably all honour him in private anyway. Ulfric wants to worship him publicly and is to blind to see the Empire are biding their time to replenish their numbers (its easier to reproduce men than mer it takes less time) and finish the Dominion off.

1 Nord ? 15 Aldmer

This argument always makes me laugh. So this strategy of supposedly "biding time" excuses the Empire for letting a foreign power engage in the religious persecution and summary execution their own citizens? What is the purpose of remaining loyal to the empire if it will pick and choose when to protect you?

Furthermore, is there any evidence to show that the empire is biding its time? I haven't finished the game or anything but I haven't run across any evidence of this.

So what are the Aldmeri supposed to do? 'Ahh we're on a stalemate lets bugger off back to Summerset Isle' or perhaps persecute the natives of the land of their enemies. The lands they invaded. It wouldn't make sense if they left. If you think of it like the Cold War (it is kind of a cold war) there was a lot of tit-for-tat business there but if there had been conflict over these little details it could have gone to all-out war. This is the same situation pretty much except the Thalmor are already there and they know they can get away with because neither side has enough strength at the minute to challenge their actions.

Betrayal on many fronts. Hammerfell betrayed the empire and its members by holding back armies at the expense of armies from other provinces. The empire then bent over for the Thalmor and betrayed the trust of all provinces in the outlandish concessions given on the heels of what was essentially a victory. The Stormcloaks don't trust the empire at large and they view the provinces as pursuing their own interests.

To bow to the empire forces them to compromise their principles. What is clear is that a continuation of Septims in power may have changed the course of history. That time is gone.

It may well be that the only way the empire survives is in unity, but there already is none, and to trust to the empire now means ultimately putting trust and the fate of your province and people into the hands of of inept leadership and back-biting 'friends'. In such times, you do what is best for the realm.

This is a Nord's view, a Stormcloak view. In the face of these challenges or decisions, there is only one course to take. Live free or die free. No sell out, no bow out. No mercy.

I understand why the Aldmeri do it. I don't understand why the Empire allows it. Rather than enforcing the argreement themselves, they allow a foreign power to engage in religious suppression. To put it into context, it would be like the allies calling for a stalemate midway through WW 2 but agreeing to allow the Nazi SS to abduct jewish citizens in their countries. It's absurd, and if you are a citizen of the empire, would you stay loyal to an empire that doesn't care to defend you?

Furthermore, where is the evidence that this is just part of an elaborate plan to rebuild the empire's forces?

It is most certainly clear, that the Empire and the Dominion will fight again in the future, but I do agree with your first point. The Emperor basically signed a treaty, which established the same thing, that were the demands of the Thalmor before the Great War. So he fought, didn't even loose and then signed over his soul, just to avoid more bloodshed, while finally being on the verge of victory.



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btw: I think Skyrim can stand on their own, they have a major tactical advantage over Hammerfell (not that big a coastline and only a few mountain passes to the other provinces) and Hammerfell withstood em. Still, I will side with the Empire on my current char I guess.