So in Skyrim, you have the option of either siding with Ulfric, or siding with Tullius. How would you would have felt, if instead of needing to side with one faction or the other to resolve the war, the game gave you the option to overthrow both sides and establish your own rule?

Basically, as part of the quest chain, you would become the Thane of every hold, then eliminate General Tullius through some sort of assassination plot. You bring all the Jarls to convene a moot, then you challenge and defeat Ulfric Stormcloak in the old Nordic way. With both Tullius and Ulfric taken care of, the Jarls, seeing that you have the loyalty of all their holds, agree to make you High King to allow for the reunification of Skyrim.

Obviously, it is too late for something so big to be added into the game, even in DLC, but still. Would you have actually like this option if it had existed?

Yes. I was disappointed that this wasn't a solution (or at least something like it).

I want to lead an Orc rebellion.

Interesting idea, and yes I would, but it would require a lot of content to make it realistic and enjoyable. It would require some follow-up quests (e.g. send people to raise taxes, attend some important functions/nobles' weddings, put down minor rebellions or deploy guards to deal with bandits, etc.) to make it interesting after you had become High King. It would need this otherwise it would just be a boring and empty function. However as Dragonborn you would think your powers would allow you to be ambitious enough to challenge for the throne. So if properly done it could have been great. Also it allows you to roleplay a politically neutral character, which is missing from the civil war quests.

I think a game is more interesting if its nation states remain more powerful than the player regardless of his or her climb up the heroic power curve.

I voted 'No.'

I don't like the idea of being the ubermensch (sic?) of any game world. It always bores me.

I think this is a really fun idea, but I also think that it ruins the the time and effort Bethesda put into making the choice of Stormcloaks vs. Empire as morally ambiguous as possible.

Since both sides have their clear drawbacks, most people would just end up ignoring the choice entirely.

That said, I still support the idea, as long as it's implemented in such a way that it doesn't become the clear "best option."

Except they aren't. Even low 20s you can build a character powerful enough to take on nearly an army. The Dovahkiin is probably as powerful as a nation. Canonically speaking most dragons can wipe out a city by themselves, which you, the Dragonborn, can handle with ease.



Only characters on extreme ends of the spectrum or completely morally neutral would need to ignore the choice. Characters more Lawful would side with the Empire, and characters more Chaotic would side with the Stormcloaks. Only those who are extremely Lawful, and see both the Imperials and Stormcloaks as unlawful entities, and those who are extremely chaotic who would see Ulfric simply as another possible dictator that would suffocate the people with rules would NEED to overthrow both sides. Those exactly in the middle probably wouldn't need to get involved in the war at all or might possibly say it is for the benefit of everyone if both sides were eliminated and a system of tolerant law was established.

I would've loved to have that option. I only sided with the Stormcloaks because they seemed like the lesser of two evils. I felt incredibly guilty when I joined the troops in invading Whiterun because the town had felt like my 'home' in the game and I'd been loyal to its Jarl. Walking amidst the broken beams and rubble afterwards, I felt like I'd betrayed my people. Even the victory on Solitude felt hollow. A third path would've been greatly appreciated.

Not to be the "Overlord", but some "third choice", perhaps joining the Foresworn. Or, alternatively, watching the civil war play out by selecting actively NOT to join either faction. There's no way to do this, to "turn down" both sides, not as far as I can see. You join one side, and the other side's quest "fails", but there doesn't seem to be any means for story progression if you choose to join neither side.

I was thinking this kind of myself. If I the new dragonborn became Emperor. I would make some treaty to make a New Orsinium for the Orc Clans. They deserve a Province as much as the others IMO.

I would've liked to become the next Dragonborn Emperor and lead the Empire after I destroyed the Stormcloaks.

What I would really like is a pancake option. I would really like to just let the Jarls take care of the dragons and the stormcloaks while I open a pancake house in Solitude and bake my days away. I know that it is to late to add this option right now, but maybe in a DLC somewhere down the road.

I think people have been playing too much New Vegas...

Argonian overthrow of Skyrim.

Did I say that a Wild Card option needed to be added? No.

Parody fail.

I voted no. Generally, in a rpg, the more choices, the better, I just don't see how that would make sense. You have the government and you have some people rebelling. Either you're for the rebellion's ideas or your against their ideas. If you don't care, then there's the 3rd option. One of my characters didn't care for either the Empire or the nord rebels so he just didn't get involved. You don't have to get involved in everything just because there's the option.

If you want to start a rebellion with your own ideas, then the developer would have to anticipate what those would be and build up whole new content to accomudate that. Your rebellion might have different grounds than my own personal rebellion though. In the end though, I feel it wouldn't make sense to put work in that instead of other things. The point is that some nords want independence, you either support them or not.

Mods may allow that though.

Wildcard "Option" is always nice.

I would have also liked the idea of eliminating both sides and putting the Jarl of Whiterun in charge. This guy sees the big picture, is fairly laid back, cares about his people, and has wall balls.

Would be nice but I ain't missin' the Yes Man if ya know what I mean.

High elf side and orc side sounds good. No wilder than that.

I don't know what you mean.

No thanks.

Sometimes it's good to have a binary choice, though I suppose there really isn't such a thing as a true binary choice in a game like this. But as others have said, you're either for the Imperials or you're for the Rebels. Or you don't care, so you help neither.

Leading my own revolt? No thanks. It works in New Vegas, but not so much in Skyrim. Firstly, what would you do as High King/Overlord/Whatever? I'm not a huge fan of becoming leader of a province because, frankly, leading an actual province would realistically require a lot of bureaucratic, paper-pushing guff that I don't need in my game. I mean, really, as High King, you're not going to be running around killing bandits or combing through ancient ruins. There are adventurers for that! You owe it to your people to stay alive and lead your subjects well (or keep them in fear during your iron reign of terror, as the case may be); you can't be off on your own killing dragons. Secondly, how do you even BECOME High King? In theory, you could just kill everyone in your way, but then you could realistically only be an evil powermonger-- what if I want to be a benevolent ruler and help the people of Skyrim? The reason the Wild Card questline works in New Vegas is because you have an army of robots that only need to be reprogrammed to enforce your will. In Skyrim, no matter how android-like they may seem to you, the residents are not robots-- you would need to win their hearts and minds (unless you're an evil tyrant, of course). Thirdly, "All hail High King of Skyrim, leader of the Nords, his majesty...Dru'Shakkar...?" Ok, I'm not necessarily against it, but really, how could a Khajiit become High King of Skyrim? Or an Orc? Or a Breton? Or anything BUT a Nord?

None of what I just said is concrete fact, just my opinion. I just don't think the whole Wild Card idea would work in Skyrim.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MYtjpIwamos

I love the Orc rebellion idea :tongue:

Mainly because I think an imperial-backed orc nation would have a dang good chance at taking out the Thalmor.