Would You Like To See Another Obsidian Spin-Off? : V - Skyrim

» Wed Oct 13, 2010 2:13 am

Let Obsidian focus on FONV DLC/expansions.

But the Beth team can learn a thing or two from their writing.

I fully support this idea. If there is one thing Obsidian is phenomenal at, they know how to write a story (play KotOR II and Fallout: New Vegas). I'm not suggesting BGS is bad at writing stories either though, but their main element is definitely allowing the player to do what they want.

» Wed Oct 13, 2010 12:58 pm

Saying that is about as risky as insulting Obsidian in the Fallout Series Discussion section. :teehee:

"-100 rep with Elder Scroll Fans faction."

Don't tell me this faction has assassins though.
I only have a pointy stick to defend myself with. D:

» Wed Oct 13, 2010 10:29 am

Other than having deeper writing, the subject matter and themes Obsidian writes about are no better than Beths IMO. But writing is opinionated obviously. Still, you have to do more than just have 'good writers' to make a good RPG these days. Beth gives them their formula and Obsidian make their best game to date, go figure.

Bethesda is also pretty average.

*puts on flamesuit* (Crap, shouldn't do that here. :bolt: )

If Beth is average, then average is the pinnacle and Obsidian is below average. There's only one good RPG company left IMO and thats Beth. I wish EA would of bought Obsidian and ruined them instead of Bioware.

» Wed Oct 13, 2010 8:55 am

Heck yes! Deep, original stories and interesting choices with actual effects on things aren't something Bethesda really... does. I'd love to see what a TES game with that in mind would look like.

» Wed Oct 13, 2010 1:57 pm

If only Beth made RPGs...

Don't get me wrong, Oblivion was a nice game, but it's not a RPG. Bioware games, though horribly formulaic and linear, are far better examples of RPGs.

» Wed Oct 13, 2010 6:20 am

It wouldn't happen, but I'd definitely buy an Obsidian "expansion"

» Wed Oct 13, 2010 8:28 am

Dont want another new vegas, so na, let bethesda keep making tes.

» Wed Oct 13, 2010 1:02 am

I want to see an Elderscrolls spin off in the late future with multiplayer.

» Wed Oct 13, 2010 6:28 am

Only if it isn't released as a buggy mess. Obsidian doesn't have a good track-record in that department, however....

» Wed Oct 13, 2010 5:26 am

If only Beth made RPGs...

Don't get me wrong, Oblivion was a nice game, but it's not a RPG. Bioware games, though horribly formulaic and linear, are far better examples of RPGs.

LOL..what? More like, Bioware makes action adventure games now with the slightest of RPG mechanics, while Beth has always made the best, deepest RPGs. You must be part of the newer crowd that think a bunch of pointless choices=an RPG.

» Wed Oct 13, 2010 3:39 am

No, I'm part of the old crowd that believes that my character skill should matter more than my own skill, that LARPing doesn't make a game a RPG, and that skill-gating is important. I'd argue, but let's not derail this into a flame-war shall we?

» Wed Oct 13, 2010 3:20 pm

This. Bethesda makes TES games. I'd like to keep it that way.

I'm not a big fan of spinoffs either. NV was okay, but not good IMO. The only good thing it added was hardcoe mode.

:facepalm:

Obsidian is essentially the remnants of Black Isles Studios (the maker of Fallout 1 & 2) so in actuality Fallout 3 was actually more of a spinoff than Fallout New Vegas was, since New Vegas was actually canon and continued story elements from the previous games. So no, Obsidian's New Vegas was not a "Fallout Spinoff" Fallout 3 was a fallout spinoff, whereas New Vegas actually continued the series.

TES should remain with Bethesda since they are the rightful creators of TES, just as a lot of people working at Obsidian were the rightful creators of Fallout. I hope Obsidian makes Fallout 4.

» Wed Oct 13, 2010 12:45 pm

:facepalm:

Obsidian is essentially the remnants of Black Isles Studios (the maker of Fallout 1 & 2) so in actuality Fallout 3 was actually more of a spinoff than Fallout New Vegas was, since New Vegas was actually cannon and continued story elements from the previous games. So no, Obsidian's New Vegas was not a "Fallout Spinoff" Fallout 3 was a fallout spinoff, whereas New Vegas actually continued the series.

TES should remain with Bethesda since they are the rightful creators of TES, just as a lot of people working at Obsidian were the rightful creators of Fallout.

Not a big fallout geek, so i didn't really know this. Besides, I prefer Fallout 3 compared to what I have seen of the first two.

» Wed Oct 13, 2010 10:02 am

No, I'm part of the old crowd that believes that my character skill should matter more than my own skill, and that skill-gating is important.

You just described a Beth RPG and the highlighted part goes against newer Bioware games.

On topic: I'd rather see R* make a Beth type RPG, that's 3rd person exclusive.

:facepalm:

Obsidian is essentially the remnants of Black Isles Studios (the maker of Fallout 1 & 2) so in actuality Fallout 3 was actually more of a spinoff than Fallout New Vegas was, since New Vegas was actually canon and continued story elements from the previous games. So no, Obsidian's New Vegas was not a "Fallout Spinoff" Fallout 3 was a fallout spinoff, whereas New Vegas actually continued the series.

TES should remain with Bethesda since they are the rightful creators of TES, just as a lot of people working at Obsidian were the rightful creators of Fallout. I hope Obsidian makes Fallout 4.

There's only a handful of people left at Obsidian from Black Isle.

» Wed Oct 13, 2010 12:53 pm

Dragon Age begs to differ, and you're off. In Fallout 3, I could snipe with a PE of 1 and a small guns of 15 easily. With Oblivion skills are so unimportant beyond the cute little perks.

» Wed Oct 13, 2010 1:56 am

Not a big fallout geek, so i didn't really know this. Besides, I prefer Fallout 3 compared to what I have seen of the first two.

I enjoyed Fallout 3 a lot but it is essentially Oblivion with guns. After playing New Vegas I just can't go back to Fallout 3.

Despite it's franchise name (which was bought, not earned) Fallout 3 was the Fallout spinoff, don't forget that.

There's only a handful of people left at Obsidian from Black Isle.

And it's the people that own the company and write the stories. it doesn't matter if your 3d modeler or Coders didn't make the original game, what matters is the fact that the people in charge did.

» Wed Oct 13, 2010 4:26 pm

I'd rather keep Bethesda internal, thanks.

» Wed Oct 13, 2010 3:42 am

Dragon Age begs to differ.

Not really, it was pretty linear for supposedly being a spiritual successor to Baldur's Gate, not to mention 2 is going the ME2 route. Also that game was being made before the EA takeover.

On topic: I actually found NV superior to 3, but thats what you would expect from a sequel/spin off etc.

And it's the people that own the company and write the stories. it doesn't matter if your 3d modeler or Coders didn't make the original game, what matters is the fact that the people in charge did.

Yet they haven't came close to Black Isle or Troikas success in terms of great games IMO. Maybe they should of kept some of their old coders, then their games wouldn't be so buggy.

» Wed Oct 13, 2010 2:43 am

It'd be nice to see Obsidian take up the reigns of the Fallout franchise full time and for Bethesda to stick with TES. So we don't have to wait for Bethesda to make another Fallout after Skyrim then have Obsidian make another Fallout then we finally get another TES.

» Wed Oct 13, 2010 10:59 am

TES is Bethesda's.

Obsidian had a reason to take on Fallout. They had an idea of what to do with it. I doubt they know the first thing about TES.

» Wed Oct 13, 2010 5:29 pm

nononononononononono (ten fold) !!!. NV was good but was not as good as it could have been as well as made with a style that is not possibly compatable with a TES game. mainly how NV had an end to game play. obsidian said people were stupid because non ending gameplay was stupid and it was impossible to code, even though every other previous bgs game including FO3 did so (broken steel was proof that NV did not have to end) sorry for the little rant but Obsidian only got away with NV because they were apart of it before bgs, obsidian has no right to mess around with TES.

» Wed Oct 13, 2010 3:00 am

Agreed about keeping TES with Bethesda. As far as New Vegas goes, in many areas it is much better than Fallout 3 but where Combat and meaningful exploration is concerned it really falls flat. IMO those two areas have hurt the prospects of it being a truly great game.

In your opinion. Cant say I agree much, fallout and TES and great for different reasons.

I feel the game was at least twice as good, thats saying a lot given the fact that the graphics were pretty dated. Would have been better without the dungeon nonsense.. I spent most of my time doing the quests in towns anyways. Small and sparse dungeons are great for TES but not really befitting of a game of fallout's construction. Fallout is more about large unique setups and cities.

nononononononononono (ten fold) !!!. NV was good but was not as good as it could have been as well as made with a style that is not possibly compatable with a TES game. mainly how NV had an end to game play. obsidian said people were stupid because non ending gameplay was stupid and it was impossible to code, even though every other previous bgs game including FO3 did so (broken steel was proof that NV did not have to end) sorry for the little rant but Obsidian only got away with NV because they were apart of it before bgs, obsidian has no right to mess around with TES.

Fallout 3 has two endings after the purifier. New Vegas has 70+ endings after the Hoover Dam battle.

» Wed Oct 13, 2010 6:29 am

In your opinion. Cant say I agree much, fallout and TES and great for different reasons.

I feel the game was at least twice as good, thats saying a lot given the fact that the graphics were pretty dated. Would have been better without the dungeon nonsense.. I spent most of my time doing the quests in towns anyways. Small and sparse dungeons are great for TES but not really befitting of a game of fallout's construction. Fallout is more about large unique setups and cities.

Fallout 3 has two endings after the purifier. New Vegas has 70+ endings after the Hoover Dam battle.

Yeah, but how much do those endings really matter when it's basically the same ending with a different faction slapped on it?

» Wed Oct 13, 2010 8:46 am

I say give both series a spin off then contract them out to CDProjket.
As
A: it's a neutral party.
B: Of all companies I'd say it was the most aimed to please fans.
C: It's actually released a unique piece of true fantasy roleplaying.

» Wed Oct 13, 2010 3:34 pm

Obsidian probably did a nice job with NV but i wouldn't know because the game was so unplayable. :swear: Im still pissed about the 60 dollars i wasted on that POS game. If Beth ever let Obsidian even breath on TES i would spontaneously combust in a fit of rage and sadness! :flame: