This isn't Fable for God's sake... I do NOT want to see technology evolve from game to game, I like medieval fantasy games, I'd like it to STAY medieval.

I'd love to see a steampunk city or fort. But overall, the world's tech should remain the same.

I voted "yes". Nirn should grow and change, but slowly.

And what is wrong with some of you people? To that one person who made the comparison, stop assuming that "technology" will ruin the game and turn it into Fallout.
See, I don't care if you disagree, but being stubborn/stupid about it just annoys me. Though, I can see where some of you are coming from (ie Alois Hammer)

Do you want medieval, or do you want fantasy? Because Oblivion's setting was the most medieval out of any TES so far and many have said that it was the most boring.

I want fantasy, and I can see no reason for small technological advances not to be made as long as they are fanciful. People are still assuming that technology=guns.

OK, yes my comment about the middle ages was not only stupid but completely irrelevant, this is the TES world, not our own. EDIT: The Dark Ages (the 600 year period in the Middle Ages when there was little advancement) ended around 1000AD. The cannon wasn’t used on the battlefield until 1300AD. The gun much later. I think you understood Middle Ages as late Middle Ages. I meant the Dark Ages. Roughly the fall of the Roman Empire till roughly 1000AD.

From Arena to Oblivion a total of 34 years has passed, including The Infernal City roughly 74 years have passed since we ever set foot in Tamriel.

Not enough time has passed for noticeable technological change. New style of armour or something like that maybe. But the Dwemer are dead. Unless Skyrim is set in 4E300 then I don’t see how the tech of the world could have advanced much at all.


The reason the devs are taking us to different lands each game is to show us something new. Different landscapes, different cultures. We don’t need advancement in tech yet, there’s plenty more to explore. The Oblivion crisis has shaken up the land of Tamriel, there is plenty of change afoot. The mages guild is no more and the empire has collapsed. Surely that is enough change for now.

:facepalm:

Ahh facepalm, condescending without any actual content.

How mature.

I'd like to see magic integrated into people's day-to-day lives more. Making use of enchantment and the like to create devices to make life easier, like using slow-fall and levitation enchantments to make elevator-like platforms, using destruction magic when creating mines, things like that.

That sounds really cool actually.

Perhaps a shrine to one of the gods accessible only with levitation or a Minor Scroll of Icarian Flight kind of thing. There could be a small stand outside the shrine where a mage will cast the spell on you or sell you a scroll. At the top there could be another mage offering a scroll/spell of Slowfall. Those scam artists.

Of course there'd have to be a way down if you don't have the gold.

What she said.

Yes, but in non conventional tech, like advancment in magic and its use. Instead of say staem, magical energy could be the power source for devices that enable non magical people to use stored spells or abilitys. eg flash light, sheald spell, water breathing.

I don't like the idea of guns been in the game with out there been advances in bows into crossbows in the past. seams to much of a leap forward and change of direction of the previose game.
Also a universe, where magic is always present, would be unlikly to construct a weopen that fires little balls from tubes that needs a complex mixture of grounded up minerals, when they could make a bit of wood fire fireballs.

Ok, you want a reply? Here you go.

The discussion was being held about technology and I made a point that technology can't necessarily do everything better. Both of the individuals that responded to my post (the second of which went into a whole spiel about how the knowledge was lost) threw my point aside and continued arguing there side without taking into consideration that my point was not on the opposite side of their argument and was rather quite neutral. The fact that we have guns now in no way takes away from the point I made. Period.

Fantasy games can be based in any time era. Look at FF, it's a fantasy game but it's a bit modernized (yet for some reason they still have swords?)
I want a fantasy game, yes, but I want it to stay a medieval style fantasy and not go adding technology that would go ruining the feel of the game in my opinion.

Hmm...so you made your point, they made an unrelated point and continued their conversation. I pointed out that people aren't really all that interested in making katanas now anyway since firearms have supplanted them...and you responded with a little facepalm.

Uncalled for and immature. Period.

Let's see. Is that what you said?


Nope, not at all what you said. Which is a false statement anyway as that is exactly what technology is intended to do, find quicker, cheaper and more efficient ways of doing everything and in this instance it failed.



They quoted me and therefor their point was a counter. So what they did was make an unrelated counterpoint and when I called them on it you stuck your nose in the middle of it. That is when i expressed my omg wtf emotion through the use of an emote. That is what they are there for and using them is not at all immature. Starting sht with me however, well, yeah.

Modern technology is not intended to best the 600 yr old method of forging a japanese katana, modern technology is unconcerned with katana forging.

They have found quicker, cheaper, and more efficient ways of making more effective weapons, and have thus abandoned swords.

Using an emoticon as your entire post with the intent to condescend is immature.

Respond if you must, but we ought get back on topic.



I'd still like to see some technological evolution in Tamriel, at least in parts where it would make sense. It wouldn't make much sense to me to see a lot of progress being made in Elsweyr or the Dragontail Mountains (that's where Orcs are from isn't it?) or Black Marsh, but it would make more sense in Summerset Isle or Hammerfell, the home of Altmer and a place with lots of Dwemer influence.

Perhaps however, Elsweyr and Black Marsh could have their own divergent new technologies relevant to survival in those climates.

A lot of the Dwemer technology would likely be either broken or half finished anyway, potentially adding to the mystery of just how far the Dwemer had advanced and just creating interesting stuff for us to look at.

I'd love to find some huge Dwemer fortress half buried in the sands in Hammerfell. Some automatons out of order because the sands have clogged up their motors and joints and whatnot.

I've seen three posts you've posted in, in the last five-ten minutes. Each time you've assaulted the person making a point against yours, rather than meaningfully challenging their point. You ridicule, you mock, you claim people are immature or uneducated. The pot shouldn't call the kettle black, pub. Furthermore, simply stating "We have guns now" is not a meaningful point, but rather brushing aside his arguement because you lack the inspiration to come up with anything else. I'm tired of seeing you attack people here, because they disagree with you.

Back to the OP: as I said, I think any developments should instead be taking place with the arrival of these new threats, now, rather than over the span of time between the Oblivion Crisis and the... Draconic Crisis? Do we have a name for this situation yet? However, I appreciate the many ideas people have come up with involving magical technologies. Rather cool, I think, the thought of 'Levitation Elevators' and 'Destruction TNT.'

I'll say it again...

NO NO NO NO NO

The point I was trying to make, and perhaps I didn't go about it very well, was that the reason we have failed to find better ways to make katanas is not that we cannot divine a better way, but that we aren't putting a whole lot of effort into finding a better way because our weapons of war have gone in a different direction.

What posts are you referring to? If they're all in this topic I think it's quite clear that is because worm and I were having an argument. I didn't attack him until he responded with the rather annoying and sadly increasingly common facepalm post.

What was the Destruction TNT idea? I think I missed that, though I rather liked the Levitation/Slowfall ideas.

I'd like technological advancements to be divided into two groups I suppose.

One having already taken place but having been lost with the disappearance of the Dwemer, and the other arising from the events of Skyrim...though I'd like those that arise from the events in Skyrim to be relatively minor, as those would likely become more widespread with time while the others would be rare and increasingly more rare as what does still works falls to the ravages of time.

Okay...I will make a deal with you. When Elder Scrolls 3,100 gets here, by then they should start having technological evolution. Deal? 3100 X 5 years between making them = 15,500 years from now.

I really dislike the elitist attitude of some "yes" voters here, who basically say "no" voters are stupid and don't think. Some people just like the current setting best, and don't want "real" technology NOR "fantasy" technology. I don't mind if Bethesda fleshes out the current level of technology, but no technological advancement for me please. Remarks that the series will always stay the same are invalid, like ingame technological advancement is the only difference between games. Speaking of lack of imagination!

If handled somewhat like in Arcanum, why not. I'd welcome a differing characterprogression path - alternative to magic - with benefits and disadvantages added accordingly (assuming the characterbuild is to be of any real significance this time around).

Ah, now I understand, your mistakenly assuming you knew what my intention was. You were wrong.


You mistakenly think you know what your talking about but you don't. The Japanese for 50+ years and up until recently had no military to concentrate their research on. What they did have was an entire planet of consumers itching to buy anything Japanese. They tried for over 40 years to mass produce a sword of equal quality to that of a hand made sword using the ancient methods but continuously failed and finally gave up.



Indeed, lets get back to the topic at hand.

Firstly we are discussing Nirn technology and my use of a real world example (which by the way parallels Nirn in that it involves swords) in no way allows the technological advances of firearms into the equation when discussing Nirn technology. So my point still stands that technology can't always beat the time honored methods. Does that mean there should be no technological advancements on Nirn. No, that was just another assumption on your part.

I don't know if I'd particularly like that...but it would certainly be interesting.

A fourth skill section dealing with technology, perhaps (and this would actually be pretty damn cool in my opinion) this technology skill could just be classed under magic. Could apply to fixing technological stuff (even very basic things like traps or blacksmith equipment) or using it.

Could be cool.

Also, in response to above post, :facepalm:

I still don't think tech should (theoretically of course since it's all but definitely not in Skyrim) be applied universally throughout Tamriel, but it could be rather cool to see it BEGINNING to pop up in some of the more affluent areas.

I would imagine that whenever technological advancements begin to seep out they'd come out at roughly the same time from some of the more peaceful and/or intellectually inclined areas.

I don't know much about Hammerfell, but if they're in a time of peace I imagine the Redguards might have come upon the Dwemer stuff and began to investigate it and either recreate it through reverse engineering, or in reverse engineering create their own versions.

Summerset Isles would be another logical place to see it coming from although it would likely be more tied to magic there since the Altmer are so inclined.

I would have expected the same from the Imperial City if they weren't so busy (I assume) dealing with the events of Oblivion.

I may have came off like that in one of my posts but it is the fact that most of the "No!" people who post one-word responses or refer to other games just seem to think that Technology evolving in TES = the same as our world and thus anyone who wants it to change wants guns and cars and other things that take away the swords/bows/magic, that's not true.


It's the fact that the span of time of the world moves forward, yet the technology/setting stays very similar. It makes the setting become bland over time if it's just the same thing done over and over. Imagine 15 years from now and 5'ish TES games down teh road if the world was very similr to Oblivion technology wise, it wouldn't get a bit stale to you?