Most people on the forums would likely be fine without them. Most people that just pick up the game at walmart two years after it's release would probably think the game [censored] if it didn't have them. Half of us have memorized the map information we've gotten already. Half the other people will never even know where they are.

Seeing how in this thread there's a pretty much 50-50 spread and I would say most people here won't just pick it up at walmart, I would say you're wrong!

Well making them toggleable will be best solution, thats can be tied to hardcoe level (completely removal) or difficulty slider (change radius of detection and marking an area not target completely)

Makes absolutely no difference to me, because I can turn them off by selecting a different quest.

Or is it the case that every single quest is going to be simultaneously visible on the enhanced topographical map?

I like this. Normally I search an entire dungeon because I love dungeon diving. However, this would make me really search through everything I see, rather than maybe skipping a few things here and there because I know where the item is at.

In Morrowind, you, the player, could fail to complete a quest, because, you, the player, didn't have the skill necessary to beat the game. Either because you didn't have the patience or time to complete it or because you didn't have the intelligence to follow the clues carefully laid within the game.



Have you even played Morrowind mate?

My character wasn't supposed to know where it is, so it wasn't supposed to be easily found. In practice, solving the riddle is incredibly easy. I was just a complete idiot.
It took me an hour to find the location because I misinterpreted the good directions, set off on the wrong track, realized my error, headed off in the right direction, found the wrong pointy rock and spent a long time searching around it until I gave up in frustration. Then I found the cavern, when I wasn't looking for it.

And surviving any dungeon in Oblivion doesn't involve any work. Just a mouse, a good weapon and a decent stock of health potions. The quests don't involve any work on the players part - you know to follow the arrow. A brain-dead imbecile could finish practically every quest in Oblivion knowing just to seek out the quest marker and make the appropriate action.

As long as the description in the note book is good enough then yes.
What I dislike about older RPG's is when they give me a quest that says something but give absolutely no hints what so ever of how to find the next quest objective.
Like in Planescape, my quest said "Find Ravel Puzzleaskflnksdl" and I was like "Okay, sure, let's look over the notebook to see what my character has learned and what my next step should be." And I couldn't find a damn thing about the next quest objective.

So as long as the description is "somewhat" clear then yeah get rid of the quest markers.
I don't want the description to be completely dumbed down though but it should be clear enough for an average gamer to comprehend.

No more quest markers!

Two words: Puzzle Cube.

That was placed logically (with the boss of the gang of people in the dungeon)

It was just a shame that the boss of the gang was placed close to the beginning of the dungeon in an easily looked over location. I mean boss as in leader, here

If it is told that you have to go to russia why does it bother it is marked as such?

As default there should be none, but in your journal it should keep a descriptions of all the information you have obtain. But there should be an option to turn the markers on.

I don't mind.

I am quite fond of quest markers I can live without them but they are useful at the start of the game finding your way around the world or out of a dungeon or the catacombs maybe we should have an option to turn them on or off but in oblivion i would never have been able to find my way in to and out of the the Alyda ruins of Vanderfall in Oblivion (think that was what it was called)

Call me whatever you want, but I don't like wasting my time. You seem to enjoy being lost for the hell of it, but not all of us have that kind of freedom to lose sleep hours. The fact that you enjoy not doing any anything but walking around in circles is your business. I have a game to play, progress to make.

im pretty sure you could turn off the quest markers in the options?

Sorry, but if youre so get-go and goal oriented, why do you want to dumb down TES to the level of a shooter?
Instead of buying a shooter?

Quest markers are idiotic.
I would go one step further than the poster who said brain dead people could complete almost every quest in Oblivion.
A trained monkey could too.

No quest markers in Skyrim please.

I really dislike quest markers, both in principle as in execution.
But
There's a fundamental question every anti-markers poster is morally obliged to answer:
How would you handle the implications of Radiant Story's ability to change the quest objective location, namely, the exponential increase in recorded voice actinbg for locations/directions? How would you solve this problem?

Saying markers are idiotic is all fine, but unless you come forward and address the issue, then that just mirrors the pro-marker poster calling us indolent.
Hollow bravata.
Really.

Yes, that is a good point.
I suppose I wouldnt be opposed to having a few locigal locations for quest items in a dungeon.
Like Daggerfall had.
Say, something like a marble altar. And if the dungeon is used in a random quest, then the item goes atop one of the altars in the dungeon.
That would reduce the annoyance of having to look over every inch of a large dungeon minutely, you would just have to find the half a dozen or so 'spawning points'
As for directions given by quest givers there can be a few solutions.
They could say:'I wrote it down for you' and hand you a piece of paper that gives details, maybe marks the dungeon on your map. That would save a lot of discspace on voice acting.
Or, if its close to where the NPC is they could say: Ill show you.
And then lead you to where the main road intersects a little dirt road that leads to the dungeon.

As long you can read english everyone is okay :wink_smile:

Morrowind Style? NO WAY! I spent ages looking for that damn Dwemer Puzzle Box, a couple of hours later I found it on a shelf...it was laughing at me.

Really?
It took me some time to find boss Crito but when I did I immediately realised that my goal would logically be near the 'boss guy'.
The hardest part of that quest for me was finding my way through the Dwemer ruin to actually get to him.

Yes, the NPC showing you would be an adequate solution when it comes to nearby locations. Otherwise it just would not work.
As for written directions from a talking NPC, i think that's a cop out. It'd feel artificial.
But we'll have to settle for the lesser evil.

Quest marker doesn't have to be a green flashin' arrow. It can be a small lit triangle on the top of the hud, which will be perfectly non-irritating. Would the anti-marker players agree?

Perhaps quest specific items/npc's can have a icy-fire magical aura around them?