Again I disagree, now, you won't be prosecuted, but when you buy a game, you aren't buying a disc to share and use, you are buying the right for yourself to use a program, if you let someone else use your program it might not be for your profit, but its for the loss of the company, ie you took 60 bucks out of their wallet

but like I said no one is going to prosecute anyone on those grounds, and there is a gray area as there isn't really a legal precedent (besides torrent sharing precedents)

@ spear-there is a no option, whats the difference if I divide the yes options for better clarity, perhaps I shouldn't have tacked the New zealand thing on or put a pay less option? but pay less isn't what I was asking, so you can say "60 is enough"

There is no gray area. No one has ever been prosecuted for lending a game to someone.

How about hell no! Games are already too expensive.

I'm sorry. But seriously.

What the bloody hell is the big deal about Spellmaking? It added nothing to the game but stronger. and usually overpowered spells.

just because there isn't a precedent from the courts doesn't mean its not illegal, it defers to software laws on such grounds

likewise a precedent isn't a law

Because they are. There price also drops realy fast as they get old. They are too expensive.

That did not help at all.

5 brand new games should not cost 300$.

While for Skyrim specifically, I wouldn't mind. Considering it will give me HUNDREDS of hours of great fun, as well as thousands of hours I will spend modding it.

However, this is the issue I see. If BGS charges $70 for their next game, other companies will see it as an example and do the same. Then they will effectively raise the base price of ALL games for $70. If TES:VI was more, and ONLY that one game was more, I would pay the extra money without blinking. But it's the chain reaction of raised prices I would be scared of.

How about a crap load of customization for mages.

This is so much BS. It really irks me when people say this sort of thing. Video Games are so cheap these days its not funny.

Boo Hoo, they raised the standard video game retail price from $50 to $60 with the current generation, so freaking what?! Prior to the PSX/N64 generation, there was no $50 standard, in fact, games cost in excess of $70-$120 when they first came out. Talk about bang for you buck? When I was a kid, my brother and I saved up our allowances for three month to buy the first Power Rangers game on the SNES, cost us $70 and we beat it in 4 hours. And you know what? We were freaking happy. You wanted a Mario game new? You had to pay around $80, unless it was brand new, then you were looking at $100+ (Super Mario RPG cost my parents $120 brand new for us as a christmas present). Buying used back then was the only way to go, and even then, you were stil paying upwards of $40 to $50 for the good games. Thats why rental stores were the real treat. $5 for a video game for 3 days was a treat.

The $50 standard was a blessing and helped the gaming industry get more players.
Then the increase to $60 hit, and suddenly everyone started btiching?! C'MON!!!

For what we get, $60 is a steal, plain and simple!

but what if all 5 were TES games?

so 1 tes game = 100-200 hours of play = 500 to 1000 hours of content for 300 bucks, whereas a movie would give you around 60 hours of "fresh" content for 300 bucks (10 dollars a movie=30 movies @ 2 hours each)

No. Just... no.
$60 is a fair price.

Like? <_<

Yes it is. That's why its called precedent law.

Why though? Why are they expensive, you get a potentially unlimited amount of entertainment out of them, why is $60 too much money to ask? As I said before, when was the last time $60 gave you one week (168 hours) worth of entertainment? Many people have put in more hours than that, I think $60 is a fair price for the amount of work that goes into it.

Combining multiple spells.

I would have paid much more for Skyrim ($100.00 bucks for a working game). But unfortunately I bought mine for the PS3 and it's flat out broken and unfinished. AND I despise the company now for how they have dealt with their Public Relations for the PS3 issues. Now...I will NEVER....seriously NEVER buy a Bethesda game brand new. They will never see another dime from me again (and I have bought every single one of their games brand new). I will buy used versions at GameStop from now on. This is not a rant. It's an honest fact.

I think more people are upset about $60 because if producers can get away with it, what's to stop them from continuing to raise prices?

And it's not even as if they have much on production costs to worry about anymore. Most sales are digital now, and the crap you get with a physical copy is a flimsy advertisemant card in place of a proper manual wrapped inside a cut down piece of thin plastic casing.

Buying a ticket at the movies isn't comparable. At the movies you are at a venue using their services, big screen, seating and all. 6 friends may cost $60, but renting a DVD at red box for $1 is around 16 cents per friend. A game is on a disc which is not expensive to make. X# of sales on a cheap disc more the covers bethesda's development cost.

But this raises a point I meant to ask. How much of Skyrim is truly recycled? Are maps edited or made from scratch. The engine just seems edited. Same races and certain animals. How much is just ported from morrowind to oblivion to Skyrim? This isn't a complaint I'm just curious.

Thats a damn good argument... $60 can only get you around 6-9 hours with movies, up to 18 hours with TV shows.
Video games offer so much more than that its not funny. Even the short ones find themselves lasting longer.

In this economy, no. Only for fallout!

Cheers

they are more rules and references used by courts than laws, to be changed and not strictly followed, you can have more than 1 precedent on an issue that might conflict with each other

legislative branches make laws, at least the familiar ones that must be followed in everyday life

I will say that $60 buck for Skyrim has been a good deal. It certainly has consumed enough hours already and there is plenty more yet for me to do and see.

That said..... Skyrim was developed to be a $60 game. I would certainly pay $100-$200 for a game like Skyrim that didn't have most of the RPG elements cut out of it. If every NPC had the level of conversations that you might have had with a Dragon Age:Origins companion. If there enough quests and choices to join every faction in the game.... and by that I mean if I chose to get in good with the Forsworn and help them retake Markath, the game should allow me to do so in some way.

If they had quadrupled the effort, detail, and complexity of the game, I would EASILY pay several hundred dollars for a game like that.

Executive branches and judicial branches do to. The president can issue an executive order. Supreme court can determine whether or not a law is constitutional.