ahh, i still miss my old spectrum 48k lol. manic miner and the like..... hold on, i think i just had an idea for a new build.......

I definitely did grow up with them, in the same manner as you. I couldn't afford an N64, or a PS2, or a 360, or any console from any generation. I was stuck with an old DOS computer until 2005(ish)

I grew up playing Mystery House, the Colonel's Bequest, King's Quest, Wizard and the Princess, Space Quest, Police Quest, LOOM, Monkey Island, Maniac Mansion, Zak McKracken, Day of the Tentacle, Sam & Max, and the Indiana Jones adventure games.

You people from the previous generation are so unbelievably thick skulled if you think that everyone born in the 90s is another screaming 13 year old CoD fan who [censored]es and whines about every games that doesn't have the F Bomb and decapitation in it.

If anything, this game is a failure because it hold your hand like a baby (though not to the extend Oblivion did) - old adventure games NEVER gave you a quest marker, or compass. You were lucky if they gave you a paper map, and some basic in-game directions.

I agree. I read the book Letters from Windhelm, and it was one of the few time a video game has pulled at my heart strings in such a manner.

So anyway. the guy going on about 'caves after, cave, after cave...after cave'

I somewhat agree.

Here's what I'm aching to get..

I'd like someone do to a massive 'Underworld' mod.

Do it on a grand scale like that seen in Zelda: A Link to the past, with the 2 parallel worlds.
Or even the 'Underdark' from Drizzt's world.
Ultima Underworld 1&2 are other fine examples of an RPG with an underground setting.
You can even go all the way back to Rogue....yeah.

You get what I'm on about yet?

The endless pit. Once you enter, the only way out is through. (Sightless pit)
But even though I never made it through your sightless pit. I doubt it is as long and full of adventure as I think it should be.
Every dungeon should be a GRAND STORY to explore. Instead of just another short sidequest that sent you there for whatever arbritary reason.

How many caves. etc. Dot the landside? Exactly.
I want quality, not quantity.

Perhaps you don't understand what I'm saying.

The OP is saying that this game is a towering achievement, whereas Morrowind was not. That's completely ass-backwards. Morrowind was a completely groundbreaking game in 2002, and without it we wouldn't even be PLAYING Skyrim.
Oblivion and Skyrim have done little to nothing to define the genre, aside from follow the path that Morrowind laid out for them - and steamline/simplify things for those "mainstream" gamers who aren't intelligent enough to solve puzzles or get to a town without a compass.


I'll say it again, Skyrim is a GOOD game. I really do like it.

But Morrowind was a game-changer.

Quick to resort to personal attacks I see.



Oh but you did get neato code circles or look up page 3 line 8 word 4 and type it in so you can prove you bought it type thing. But I don't find the hand holding to be too bad in Skyrim.

92 hours in, and Skyrim is still amazing me. This game is truly a great achievement on Bethesda's part, and easily their best game.

Simple fact is, people are so blinded by the things that personally offend them, that they miss all that is right about it. Oddly enough, I'm probably just as guilty in reverse, I'm willing to forgive some of the jarring faults of the game, simply because I'm so stunned by what they've done right.

I don't think its an old gamer vs young gamer argument thou, I'm definitely in the old school gamer camp, and frankly they are just as bad at moaning, only with an edge of rose-tinted nostalgia blind to the things that old games did wrong. Morrowind included... did lots of things very wrong.

Its all about perception, and.. this may get me flamed, but maturity, regardless of physical age.

As it was the third in the series, I'd say that accolade belongs firmly to Arena.

You still didn't grow up with it mate, you haven't even grown up yet. You're only 18.
The fact that you can't understand this point, speaks volumes. In 10 or 15yrs time, when you look back at Skyrim. You'll understand.

I agree, but don't stereotype young people.

Don't even act like you're better because you're older, please. If anything, having the younger generation play the game is better because who knows more about the Gaming world these days?

I'm with you, OP. I'm having a great time and wish everyone could be here. I'll be in Skyrim for years and still learning all it has to offer when TES VI is ready.

I need to find more word walls next...I have extra dragon souls I could use and I don't have many Shouts.

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Its not a matter of being better because we're older (I'm not that much older) its just the difference of perspective. You can't appreciate a perspective you don't have. But respecting it is another thing entirely.

In the context of video games it is a towering achievement. fact.

Who has seen gaming start from Pong and develop to where it is today? Who came in halfway through the developmental process? Just sayin.

It's improved over Oblivion anyway, but it's still holds your hand.

And yeah, I did get those things. I think KQIV did it with a game manual, as did Laura Bow II.

My favorite was always the verification in the Colonel's Bequest. (If you never played it, you had a page with like 16 finger prints in the game manual - and the game would show you a finger print and you had to deduce who's it was. it was awesome.)

@soop:

You're a moron. I grew up with those games, because it's all I had.

Just because you're older than me doesn't mean you can attempt to be a high brow, hyper-intelligent, wise-old-man figure - when you're really just a quick-to-anger 30-40 year old with delusions of grandeur, who takes it upon themselves to be the self appointed savior of humanity. The world has been coping fine without you, buddy. I can't believe you can't accept the fact that I grew up with classic games, just because I was born in the 90s.

Lol, what a silly post. Cause you need 150+ hours in a game to have a solid opinion about it right? Maybe you shouldn't play 24/7 next time if you're already bored.

Skyrim may not be groundbreaking.. but it does break i7's

This is the same old problem from Oblivion. Somehow people expect these TES games to surpass anything available on this planet by a million miles and be the most amazing creation since the universe began. They want it to change their lives. They want it to allow them to literally enter their LCD screen and never come back. They expect absolute, finite perfection and 100 million hours of gameplay.

It's just a game. A FANTASTIC one at that. But like anything in the real world, perfection doesn't exist. It's $60 for hundreds of hours in a fantasy world worth losing yourself in. You can't beat that value.

Skyrim as a whole blows me away. I haven't been this enamored with a game since discovering The Secret of Monkey Island on PC as a giddy 12 year old in 1992. That was the first game I played that really captured the essence of story, adventure, and a world full of wonder.

How is the perspective ANY different.

What don't you understand? I grew up with the SAME games you did. Did I want to play new, 3d games like Ocarina of Time? Hell yeah I did! But you know what? I was stuck telling King Graham to "pick up apple."
We played the same games, for probably the same period of our lives (I wouldn't be surprised if I kept playing older games longer than you) so what difference does it make whether you did it in the 80s, or I did in the 90s, or if someone else does it in 2030?

It makes sense to me now. If I did anything for over 10 hours a day for a week or more, I would tend to not like it very much.

I agree, Skyrim is a towering achievement! I haven't played it for 150 hours, but the only reason for that is because I have other things to do. I have been playing it as much as possible and I think I will continue too, I think it is going to be a game that doesn't get old. There is so much choice and such a big world to explore. So many different character choices and roads you can go down. The only reason this forum isn't flooded with people saying how good it is is because everyone who is happy with it is playing it atm. Unfortunately I am stuck at work so I guess this forum will have to feed my addiction for now lol

Nobody said the older generation is better.... Of course were all individuals, but the realistic consensus is that this generation is spoiled with a new game coming out every couple months or so, that is a much improved graphically and mechanically than games before it. Games in the past didnt have the technology to improve as fast as we are now. Its understandable why many people now cant feel grateful or happy with their purchase, because theyre stuck in hindsight AND knowing there can another game that can come out later that is an improvement, so what is happening now to these "spoiled" individuals is not of much importance. Speculation is forced upon these individuals because of their discontent. Whereas older people arent used to these kind of games coming out on consistent basis, so common sense will tell you they will be much happier and grateful with their purpose. Of course, Ill reiterate again, were all individuals with different perspectives.

Because I never had anything else to compare it to, it WAS the best available. Not just what was available to me.

What you're doing is the same as comparing the experience of watching a war film, against actually being there.

I remember when everyone complained about Oblivion back in the day. This is common and will fade away in a years or so.