Wrye Bash, esms, FCOM, Locking up : IV

» Wed Sep 01, 2010 7:17 pm

Hi,

I have literally spent over 10 hours trying to build a working mod list.

I have a list that allows me to start a game, but there are any number of additional mods I want to add, but each one causes Oblivion to freeze up on the loading screen that you get right after the opening movies and right before the menu for new game/load/options/etc.

I followed the rules in the FCOM thread and the 50 steps to Stable FCOM, but I am still having issues.

Examples of mods I am trying to add and not succeeding are:
Natural Weather or Enhanced Weather
Thievery in the Imperial City 1.2
Cybiades 2.1

... the only thing that I can see in common with these mods is that they have an .ESM file necessary, but that doesn't seem to make any sense...

I am using BOSS to sort and Wrye Bash to build a based patch according to the rules in the two threads listed above.

Here is my load order:

Oblivion.esmFrancesco's Leveled Creatures-Items Mod.esmFrancesco's Optional New Items Add-On.esmCobl Main.esmOscuro's_Oblivion_Overhaul.esmMart's Monster Mod.esmTamrielTravellers.esmFCOM_Convergence.esmArmamentarium.esmArtifacts.esmBetter Cities Resources.esmProgress.esmUnofficial Oblivion Patch.espOblivion Citadel Door Fix.espDLCShiveringIsles.espUnofficial Shivering Isles Patch.espShivering OOO.espOblivion Vwalk UOS.espDLCShiveringIsles Vwalk UOS.espDLCShiveringIsles Vwalk DG_DS UOS.espBetter Cities .espFrancesco's Optional Chance of Stronger Bosses.espFrancesco's Optional Chance of Stronger Enemies.espFrancesco's Optional Chance of More Enemies.espFrancesco's Optional Leveled Guards.espFCOM_Francescos.espFCOM_FrancescosItemsAddOn.espFCOM_FrancescosNamedBosses.espEnhanced Water v2.0 HDMI.espSymphony of Violence.espMIS.espMIS New Sounds Optional Part.espAtmospheric Oblivion.espStorms & Sound.espWindowLightingSystem.espAliveWaters.espAliveWaters - Koi Addon.espAliveWaters - Slaughterfish Addon.espClocksOfCyrodiil.espClocksOfCyrodiil_BC_OBC_OC_OCLR_Vanilla.espRAEVWD Cities.espRAEVWD New Sheoth.espRAEVWD Imperial City.espEnhanced Economy.espDisplay Stats.espFormID Finder4.espGet Wet.espMap Marker Overhaul.espMap Marker Overhaul - SI additions.espEnhanced Hotkeys.espDLCHorseArmor.espDLCHorseArmor - Unofficial Patch.espDLCOrrery.espDLCOrrery - Unofficial Patch.espDLCOrrery Vwalk.espDLCVileLair.espDLCVileLair - Unofficial Patch.espDLCMehrunesRazor.espDLCMehrunesRazor - Unofficial Patch.espDLCMehrunesRazor Vwalk UOP.espDLCSpellTomes.espDLCSpellTomes - Unofficial Patch.espMaleBodyReplacerV4.espEVE_StockEquipmentReplacer.espXiaNewAmuletsV1.espArmamentium female.espDLCThievesDen.espDLCThievesDen - Unofficial Patch.espDLCThievesDen - Unofficial Patch - SSSB.espDLCThievesDen Vwalk UOP.espKDCircletsOOOOptimized - NPC Equip.espFCOM_KDCircletsOOOOptimizedNPCEquip.espCobl Glue.espCobl Si.espBob's Armory Oblivion.espFCOM_BobsArmory.espLoth's Blunt Weapons for Npcs.espFCOM_LothsBluntWeapons.espOblivion WarCry EV.espFCOM_WarCry.espOscuro's_Oblivion_Overhaul.espOOO_XiaNewAmulets Addon.espOOO_XiaNewAmulets Addon - LLOnly.espOscuro's_Oblivion_Overhaul Vwalk.espOMOBS.espOMOBS_SI.espOMOBS Optional Combat Settings.espArmamentariumLLVendors.espArmamentariumLLMagic.espArmamentariumArtifacts.espOOO 1.32-Cobl.espFCOM_Cobl.espMart's Monster Mod - Additional Enemy NPC Vars.espFCOM_Convergence.espFCOM_EntropicOrderRebalance.espFCOM_RealSwords.espFCOM_DurabilityAndDamage.espMart's Monster Mod - More Wilderness Life.espFCOM_SaferRoads.espFCOM_LessRats.espFCOM_LessReaversInGates.espMart's Monster Mod - Looting NPCs & Creatures.espMart's Monster Mod - Less Reavers.espMart's Monster Mod - Safer Quest Locations.espMart's Monster Mod - Dungeons of MMM.espMart's Monster Mod - Gems & Gem Dust.espMart's Monster Mod - Hunting & Crafting.espMart's Monster Mod - Farm Animals.espMart's Monster Mod - Diverse WaterLife.espMart's Monster Mod - Slof Horses Complete.espMart's Monster Mod - Diverse Runeskulls Loot G&GD.espTamrielTravellerAdvscript.espTamrielTravellers4OOO.espTamrielTravellers4OOO Vwalk.espTamrielTravellersItemsnpc.espTamrielTravellersItemsCobl.espShiveringIsleTravellers.espShiveringIsleTravellers Vwalk.espShiveringIsleTravellersFriendlyFactions4MMM.espFCOM_TamrielTravelers.espFCOM_DiverseGuardUnity.espFCOM_BobsGuardUnity.espFCOM_HungersUnitySI.espFCOM_Archery_Armamentarium.espFCOM_Archery_Artifacts.espFCOM_Archery_RealSwords.espFCOM_Archery_MMM_H&C.espFCOM_FriendlierFactions.espFCOM_MoreRandomSpawns.espFCOM_MoreRandomItems.espMart's Monster Mod - Shivering Isles.espArmamentariumLL4OOO.espArmamentariumLLMagicOOO.espFransfemale.espOOO-WaterFish.espMMM-Cobl.espEVE_StockEquipmentReplacer4FCOM.espEVE_StockEquipmentReplacer for OOO.espEVE_StockEquipmentReplacer4MMM.espIvellon.espArtifacts.espArtifactsFemaleArmor.espArtifacts - ArmaCompleteAddon.espGoldenCrest.espGoldenCrest Vwalk.espGTAesgaard.espGlenvarCastle.espGlenvarCastle Vwalk.espLostSwordOfTheAylied.espLostSwordOfTheAylied - OBSE Add-On.espMalevolent.espMalevolent Vwalk.espMountainTower.espThe Ayleid Steps.espThe Ayleid Steps Vwalk.espTheForgottenShields.espDLCBattlehornCastle.espDLCFrostcrag.espDLCFrostcrag - Unofficial Patch.espDLCFrostcrag Vwalk.espKnights.espKnights - Unofficial Patch.espKnights Vwalk UOP.espEVE_KnightsoftheNine.espMighty Umbra.espLost Paladins of the Divines.espThe Mystery of the Dulan cult.espHoarfrostCastle.espHoarfrostCastle Vwalk.espMannimarcoRevisited.espMannimarcoRevisitedOOO.espMannimarcoWardrobeChest.espMart's Monster Mod - City Defences.espFCOM_MightyUmbra.espFCOM_Knights.espxuldarkforest.espxulStendarrValley.espxulTheHeath.espXulEntiusGorge.espxulFallenleafEverglade.espxulColovianHighlands_EV.espxulChorrolHinterland.espxulBeachesOfCyrodiilLostCoast.espxulBravilBarrowfields.espxulLushWoodlands.espxulAncientYews.espxulAncientRedwoods.espxulCloudtopMountains.espxulArriusCreek.espxulPatch_AY_AC.espxulRollingHills_EV_withoutWheat.espxulPantherRiver.espxulRiverEthe.espxulBrenaRiverRavine.espxulImperialIsle.espxulBlackwoodForest.espxulCheydinhalFalls.espxulAspenWood.espxulSkingradOutskirts.espxulSnowdale.espbartholm.espbartholm - EE patch.espbartholm Vwalk.espEVE_ShiveringIslesEasterEggs.espP1DkeyChain.espShort Grass V3.espToggleable Quantity Prompt.espQuest Award Leveller.espQuest Award Leveller - Battlehorn Castle.espQuest Award Leveller - Vile Lair.espQuest Award Leveller - Mehrunes Razor.espQuest Award Leveller - Knights of the Nine.espStarX Vanilla Vampires Revised.espStarX VVR_OOO_FCOM Patch.espGather Ye Rosebuds.espNo psychic guards v1.2.espEnter The Shinobi - Coors916.espnGCD.espnGCD Oghma Infinium.espnGCD Skeleton Key.espProgressGSD.espProgressMBSP.espProgressSBSP.espProgressRBSP.espProgressRacial.espProgressArmorer.espEVE_KhajiitFix.espMart's Monster Mod - Resized Races.espbgBalancingEVCore.espTamrielTravellers Cosmetics Cobl or RBP.espbgMagicEV.espbgMagicEV Vwalk.espbgMagicSpellTomes_for_WryeBash.espbgMagicItemSigil.espbgMagicEVStartspells.espbgMagicEVAddEnVar.espbgMagicEVPaperChase.espbgMagicPotionNumberSoulGemValue.espbgBalancingEVOptionalFangs.espbgBalancingEVOptionalMoreEyes.espbgBalancingEVOptionalNPCDiversity, TNR Merge.espbgBalancingEVOptionalFCOMAdditions.espbgIntegrationEV.espbgIntegrationEV Vwalk.espBetter Cities Full.espBetter Cities - Unique Landscape Barrowfields.espBetter Cities - Unique Landscape Chorrol Hinterland.espBetter Cities - Unique Landscape Cheydinhal Falls.espBetter Cities - Unique Landscape Skingrad Outskirts.espBetter Cities - VWD of the IC.espBetter Imperial City.espBetter Imperial City FPS Patch.espBetter Cities - COBL.espBetter Cities - Unique Landscape Imperial Isle.espBetter Cities Full FPS Patch.espbgMagicEVShader.espbgMagicShaderLifeDetect.espbgMagicLightningbolt.espFCOM_Archery.espGoldenCrestBattlehornComp.espBashed Patch, 0.esp

» Thu Sep 02, 2010 12:28 am

There is a hard limit of 254 ESPs plus ESMs that the game can load. I did a quick count of your load order, and you might have reached your limit. The only ways past that limit are by removing mods or merging mods using TES4Edit. If you post your modlist by right-clicking at the top of your mods page in Wrye Bash and choosing "List Mods" from the context menu, we can see what you are merging into your bashed patch.
You should read your BOSS log for clues to your load order. For instance, you have both Clocks of Cyrodil ESPs, when you should only choose one of those.
The fact that All Natural is causing you to crash leads me to suspect that you are not using Wrye Bash correctly. All Natural includes a "filter-only" ESP. If this plugin is not treated correctly with Wrye Bash, and instead activated, it will cause your game to crash due to missing masters.
General FCOM advice: Don't use G&GD. Instead search Nexus for an OBSE G&GD plugin. Using the MMM G&GD won't cause CTD on load, but it causes problems for some (including me) with some crashing in-game. Also, the FCOM team has been recommending against Additional NPC Variants for a while now - same kinds of instability issues.
A word of warning: FCOM + a full installation of RAEVWD + Better Cities + Tamriel Travellers + all the UL mods = real strain on your system. Be prepared for possibly unplayably low FPS.

» Wed Sep 01, 2010 7:20 pm

Thanks for the quick response!

Below you can find my mod list as you suggested from Wrye.

I got rid of the two MMM mods you mentioned.

If it was just All Natural that was causing me to lock up, that would be one thing, but even just Thievery in the Imperial City causes the game to lock up before even getting to the start game menu!

Spoiler

Active Mod Files:00  Oblivion.esm01  Francesco's Leveled Creatures-Items Mod.esm  [Version 4.5bSI]02  Francesco's Optional New Items Add-On.esm  [Version 4.5bSI]03  Cobl Main.esm  [Version 1.72]04  Oscuro's_Oblivion_Overhaul.esm  [Version 1.34]05  Mart's Monster Mod.esm  [Version 3.7b3p3]06  TamrielTravellers.esm  [Version 1.39c]07  FCOM_Convergence.esm  [Version 0.9.9MB3]08  Armamentarium.esm  [Version 1.35]09  Artifacts.esm0A  Better Cities Resources.esm  [Version 4.8.4]0B  Progress.esm  [Version 2.2]0C  Unofficial Oblivion Patch.esp  [Version 3.3.3]0D  Oblivion Citadel Door Fix.esp0E  DLCShiveringIsles.esp0F  Unofficial Shivering Isles Patch.esp  [Version 1.4.0]++  Shivering OOO.esp10  Oblivion Vwalk UOS.esp11  DLCShiveringIsles Vwalk UOS.esp12  DLCShiveringIsles Vwalk DG_DS UOS.esp13  Better Cities .esp14  Francesco's Optional Chance of Stronger Bosses.esp15  Francesco's Optional Chance of Stronger Enemies.esp16  Francesco's Optional Chance of More Enemies.esp17  Francesco's Optional Leveled Guards.esp++  FCOM_Francescos.esp  [Version 0.9.9]++  FCOM_FrancescosItemsAddOn.esp  [Version 0.9.9]18  FCOM_FrancescosNamedBosses.esp  [Version 0.9.9]19  Enhanced Water v2.0 HDMI.esp++  Symphony of Violence.esp1A  MIS.esp1B  MIS New Sounds Optional Part.esp1C  Atmospheric Oblivion.esp1D  Storms & Sound.esp1E  WindowLightingSystem.esp1F  AliveWaters.esp20  AliveWaters - Koi Addon.esp21  AliveWaters - Slaughterfish Addon.esp22  ClocksOfCyrodiil_BC_OBC_OC_OCLR_Vanilla.esp23  RAEVWD Cities.esp  [Version 1.7]24  RAEVWD New Sheoth.esp  [Version 1.5]25  RAEVWD Imperial City.esp  [Version 1.7]26  Enhanced Economy.esp  [Version 5.1]27  Display Stats.esp  [Version 1.2]28  FormID Finder4.esp29  Get Wet.esp2A  Map Marker Overhaul.esp  [Version 3.8]2B  Map Marker Overhaul - SI additions.esp  [Version 3.5]2C  Enhanced Hotkeys.esp  [Version 2.1.1]2D  DLCHorseArmor.esp2E  DLCHorseArmor - Unofficial Patch.esp  [Version 1.0.6]2F  DLCOrrery.esp30  DLCOrrery - Unofficial Patch.esp  [Version 1.0.4]31  DLCOrrery Vwalk.esp32  DLCVileLair.esp33  DLCVileLair - Unofficial Patch.esp  [Version 1.0.6]34  DLCMehrunesRazor.esp35  DLCMehrunesRazor - Unofficial Patch.esp  [Version 1.0.5]36  DLCMehrunesRazor Vwalk UOP.esp37  DLCSpellTomes.esp++  DLCSpellTomes - Unofficial Patch.esp  [Version 1.0.1]++  MaleBodyReplacerV4.esp38  EVE_StockEquipmentReplacer.esp39  XiaNewAmuletsV1.esp3A  Armamentium female.esp3B  DLCThievesDen.esp3C  DLCThievesDen - Unofficial Patch.esp  [Version 1.0.7]3D  DLCThievesDen - Unofficial Patch - SSSB.esp  [Version 1.0.4]3E  DLCThievesDen Vwalk UOP.esp3F  KDCircletsOOOOptimized - NPC Equip.esp  [Version 1.2]++  FCOM_KDCircletsOOOOptimizedNPCEquip.esp  [Version 0.9.9]40  Cobl Glue.esp  [Version 1.72]41  Cobl Si.esp  [Version 1.63]42  Bob's Armory Oblivion.esp43  FCOM_BobsArmory.esp  [Version 0.9.9]44  Loth's Blunt Weapons for Npcs.esp++  FCOM_LothsBluntWeapons.esp  [Version 0.9.9]45  Oblivion WarCry EV.esp  [Version 1.09]46  FCOM_WarCry.esp  [Version 0.9.9MB3]47  Oscuro's_Oblivion_Overhaul.esp  [Version 1.34]++  OOO_XiaNewAmulets Addon.esp  [Version 0.5]++  OOO_XiaNewAmulets Addon - LLOnly.esp  [Version 0.5]48  Oscuro's_Oblivion_Overhaul Vwalk.esp49  OMOBS.esp  [Version 1.0]4A  OMOBS_SI.esp  [Version 1.0]4B  OMOBS Optional Combat Settings.esp  [Version 1.0]++  ArmamentariumLLVendors.esp  [Version 1.35]++  ArmamentariumLLMagic.esp  [Version 1.35]4C  ArmamentariumArtifacts.esp  [Version 1.35]4D  OOO 1.32-Cobl.esp  [Version 1.72]++  FCOM_Cobl.esp  [Version 0.9.9]4E  FCOM_Convergence.esp  [Version 0.9.9Mb3]++  FCOM_EntropicOrderRebalance.esp  [Version 0.9.9beta2]4F  FCOM_RealSwords.esp  [Version 0.9.9]50  FCOM_DurabilityAndDamage.esp  [Version 0.9.9]51  Mart's Monster Mod - More Wilderness Life.esp  [Version 3.7b3p3]++  FCOM_SaferRoads.esp  [Version 0.9.9]++  FCOM_LessRats.esp  [Version 0.9.9]++  FCOM_LessReaversInGates.esp  [Version 0.9.9]++  Mart's Monster Mod - Looting NPCs & Creatures.esp  [Version 3.7b3p3]++  Mart's Monster Mod - Less Reavers.esp  [Version 3.7b3p3]52  Mart's Monster Mod - Safer Quest Locations.esp  [Version 3.7b3p3]53  Mart's Monster Mod - Dungeons of MMM.esp  [Version 3.7b3p3]54  Mart's Monster Mod - Hunting & Crafting.esp  [Version 3.7b3p3]55  Mart's Monster Mod - Farm Animals.esp  [Version 3.7b3p3]56  Mart's Monster Mod - Diverse WaterLife.esp  [Version 3.7b3p3]++  Mart's Monster Mod - Slof Horses Complete.esp  [Version 3.7b3p3]++  TamrielTravellerAdvscript.esp  [Version 1.40Alpha]57  TamrielTravellers4OOO.esp  [Version 1.39c]58  TamrielTravellers4OOO Vwalk.esp59  TamrielTravellersItemsCobl.esp  [Version 1.39c]5A  ShiveringIsleTravellers.esp  [Version 1.39c]5B  ShiveringIsleTravellers Vwalk.esp++  ShiveringIsleTravellersFriendlyFactions4MMM.esp  [Version 1.39c]++  FCOM_TamrielTravelers.esp  [Version 0.9.9]++  FCOM_DiverseGuardUnity.esp  [Version 0.9.9]++  FCOM_BobsGuardUnity.esp  [Version 0.9.9]++  FCOM_HungersUnitySI.esp  [Version 0.9.9]5C  FCOM_Archery_Armamentarium.esp++  FCOM_Archery_Artifacts.esp5D  FCOM_Archery_RealSwords.esp++  FCOM_Archery_MMM_H&C.esp5E  FCOM_FriendlierFactions.esp  [Version 0.9.9]5F  FCOM_MoreRandomSpawns.esp  [Version 0.9.9]60  FCOM_MoreRandomItems.esp  [Version 0.9.9]++  Mart's Monster Mod - Shivering Isles.esp  [Version 3.7b3p3]++  ArmamentariumLL4OOO.esp  [Version 2.01]++  ArmamentariumLLMagicOOO.esp  [Version 1.35]61  Fransfemale.esp62  OOO-WaterFish.esp  [Version 1.34]++  MMM-Cobl.esp  [Version 1.69]63  EVE_StockEquipmentReplacer4FCOM.esp64  EVE_StockEquipmentReplacer for OOO.esp65  EVE_StockEquipmentReplacer4MMM.esp66  Ivellon.esp  [Version 1.8]67  Artifacts.esp68  ArtifactsFemaleArmor.esp++  Artifacts - ArmaCompleteAddon.esp  [Version 1.0]69  GoldenCrest.esp6A  GoldenCrest Vwalk.esp6B  GTAesgaard.esp6C  GlenvarCastle.esp6D  GlenvarCastle Vwalk.esp6E  LostSwordOfTheAylied.esp6F  LostSwordOfTheAylied - OBSE Add-On.esp70  Malevolent.esp71  Malevolent Vwalk.esp72  MountainTower.esp  [Version 6.0]73  The Ayleid Steps.esp  [Version 3.4]74  The Ayleid Steps Vwalk.esp75  TheForgottenShields.esp76  DLCBattlehornCastle.esp77  DLCFrostcrag.esp78  DLCFrostcrag - Unofficial Patch.esp  [Version 1.0.5]79  DLCFrostcrag Vwalk.esp7A  Knights.esp7B  Knights - Unofficial Patch.esp  [Version 1.1]7C  Knights Vwalk UOP.esp7D  EVE_KnightsoftheNine.esp7E  Mighty Umbra.esp7F  Lost Paladins of the Divines.esp80  The Mystery of the Dulan cult.esp81  HoarfrostCastle.esp82  HoarfrostCastle Vwalk.esp83  MannimarcoRevisited.esp84  MannimarcoRevisitedOOO.esp  [Version 0.1]85  Mart's Monster Mod - City Defences.esp  [Version 3.7b3p3]++  FCOM_MightyUmbra.esp  [Version 0.9.9]++  FCOM_Knights.esp  [Version 0.9.9Mb3]86  xuldarkforest.esp  [Version 1.0.5]87  xulStendarrValley.esp  [Version 1.2.2]88  xulTheHeath.esp89  XulEntiusGorge.esp8A  xulFallenleafEverglade.esp  [Version 1.3.1]8B  xulColovianHighlands_EV.esp  [Version 1.2.1]8C  xulChorrolHinterland.esp  [Version 1.2.2]8D  xulBeachesOfCyrodiilLostCoast.esp  [Version 1.6.4]8E  xulBravilBarrowfields.esp  [Version 1.3.2]8F  xulLushWoodlands.esp  [Version 1.3.1]90  xulAncientYews.esp  [Version 1.4.3]91  xulAncientRedwoods.esp  [Version 1.6]92  xulCloudtopMountains.esp  [Version 1.0.3]93  xulArriusCreek.esp  [Version 1.1.3]94  xulPatch_AY_AC.esp  [Version 1.1]95  xulRollingHills_EV_withoutWheat.esp  [Version 1.3.2]96  xulPantherRiver.esp97  xulRiverEthe.esp  [Version 1.0.2]98  xulBrenaRiverRavine.esp  [Version 1.1]99  xulImperialIsle.esp  [Version 1.6.6]9A  xulBlackwoodForest.esp  [Version 1.1.0]9B  xulCheydinhalFalls.esp  [Version 1.0.1]9C  xulAspenWood.esp  [Version 1.0.2]9D  xulSkingradOutskirts.esp  [Version 1.0.1]9E  xulSnowdale.esp  [Version 1.0]9F  bartholm.espA0  bartholm - EE patch.esp  [Version 4.2]A1  bartholm Vwalk.espA2  EVE_ShiveringIslesEasterEggs.espA3  P1DkeyChain.esp  [Version 5.00]++  Short Grass V3.espA4  Toggleable Quantity Prompt.esp  [Version 3.2.0]A5  Quest Award Leveller.esp++  Quest Award Leveller - Battlehorn Castle.esp++  Quest Award Leveller - Vile Lair.esp++  Quest Award Leveller - Mehrunes Razor.esp++  Quest Award Leveller - Knights of the Nine.espA6  StarX Vanilla Vampires Revised.espA7  StarX VVR_OOO_FCOM Patch.espA8  Gather Ye Rosebuds.espA9  No psychic guards v1.2.espAA  nGCD.espAB  nGCD Oghma Infinium.esp++  nGCD Skeleton Key.espAC  ProgressGSD.esp  [Version 2.0]AD  ProgressMBSP.esp  [Version 2.0]AE  ProgressSBSP.esp  [Version 1.0]AF  ProgressRBSP.esp  [Version 1.0]B0  ProgressRacial.espB1  ProgressArmorer.esp  [Version 1.0]++  EVE_KhajiitFix.esp++  Mart's Monster Mod - Resized Races.esp  [Version 3.7b3p3]B2  bgBalancingEVCore.esp  [Version 10.52EV-D]B3  TamrielTravellers Cosmetics Cobl or RBP.espB4  bgMagicEV.esp  [Version 1.7EV]B5  bgMagicEV Vwalk.esp++  bgMagicSpellTomes_for_WryeBash.esp  [Version 1.68EV]++  bgMagicItemSigil.esp  [Version 1.68EV]++  bgMagicEVStartspells.esp  [Version 1.68EV]++  bgMagicEVAddEnVar.esp  [Version 1.68EV]B6  bgMagicEVPaperChase.esp  [Version 1.68EV]B7  bgMagicPotionNumberSoulGemValue.esp  [Version 1.68UV]++  bgBalancingEVOptionalFangs.esp  [Version 10.0EV-D]++  bgBalancingEVOptionalMoreEyes.esp  [Version 10]B8  bgBalancingEVOptionalNPCDiversity, TNR Merge.esp  [Version 10.0EV-D]++  bgBalancingEVOptionalFCOMAdditions.esp  [Version 10.]B9  bgIntegrationEV.esp  [Version 0.993]BA  bgIntegrationEV Vwalk.espBB  Better Cities Full.esp  [Version 4.8.4]BC  Better Cities - Unique Landscape Barrowfields.esp  [Version 4.7.0]BD  Better Cities - Unique Landscape Chorrol Hinterland.esp  [Version 4.8.4]BE  Better Cities - Unique Landscape Cheydinhal Falls.esp  [Version 4.8.1]BF  Better Cities - Unique Landscape Skingrad Outskirts.esp  [Version 4.8.1]C0  Better Cities - VWD of the IC.esp  [Version 4.7.0]C1  Better Imperial City.esp  [Version 4.8.4]C2  Better Imperial City FPS Patch.esp  [Version 4.8.1]C3  Better Cities - COBL.esp  [Version 2.1]C4  Better Cities - Unique Landscape Imperial Isle.esp  [Version 4.8.1]C5  Better Cities Full FPS Patch.esp  [Version 4.8.4]C6  bgMagicEVShader.esp  [Version 1.7EV]++  bgMagicShaderLifeDetect.esp  [Version 1.68]C7  bgMagicLightningbolt.espC8  FCOM_Archery.espC9  GoldenCrestBattlehornComp.espCA  Bashed Patch, 0.esp

» Wed Sep 01, 2010 1:46 pm

Well, with the mods you've merged into the bashed patch, you're only at about 205 ESMs + ESPs, so you haven't hit your load limit yet. One thing that does/can cause crashes like you describe is missing fonts. You can check to see if the mods you are trying to install contain new fonts that need to be entered into Oblivion.ini.
Questions:

How are you installing these mods? BAIN, OBMM, manually?
Have you installed Oblivion outside the Program Files directory?
Have you playtested your current load order past startup? Is everything working?

» Thu Sep 02, 2010 2:01 am

My first choice is always OMOD, if the come in that format, or have an omod config file in the archive. My second choice is BAIN if they are BAIN ready. Few mods support BAIN without supporting OMOD, but they are there. Any others are manually installed.

Oblivion is installed in D:\games

yes, I have made it through the starting dungeon.

I don't think it is a font issue, since that generally drops you right away... here the game just locks up at the loading screen. I have never seen this kind of lockup before...

Michi

» Wed Sep 01, 2010 3:58 pm

My first choice is always OMOD, if the come in that format, or have an omod config file in the archive. My second choice is BAIN if they are BAIN ready. Few mods support BAIN without supporting OMOD, but they are there. Any others are manually installed.

Oblivion is installed in D:\games

yes, I have made it through the starting dungeon.

I don't think it is a font issue, since that generally drops you right away... here the game just locks up at the loading screen. I have never seen this kind of lockup before...

Michi

That happens to my if my UI gets dinged, usually by removing a mod that changes something about the interface. If you're using Darn or similar, try reinstalling it. If you are worried about overwriting a menu change from another mod, tell it to show you conflicts and approve/deny each menu individually.

» Wed Sep 01, 2010 6:30 pm

23 RAEVWD Cities.esp [Version 1.7]
24 RAEVWD New Sheoth.esp [Version 1.5]
25 RAEVWD Imperial City.esp [Version 1.7]
C0 Better Cities - VWD of the IC.esp [Version 4.7.0]

You appear to be using FPS patches for BC, so it would be strongly advised to drop the 4 plugins listed as they will compound your FPS problems with them all left active. You'll need to rerun tes4lodgen once these are out of the way so that the VWD info is updated. An overload of VWD info could possibly cause the kinds of problems you're experiencing since it will lengthen the load screen times while it's all being processed.

» Wed Sep 01, 2010 10:13 am

23 RAEVWD Cities.esp [Version 1.7]
24 RAEVWD New Sheoth.esp [Version 1.5]
25 RAEVWD Imperial City.esp [Version 1.7]
C0 Better Cities - VWD of the IC.esp [Version 4.7.0]

You appear to be using FPS patches for BC, so it would be strongly advised to drop the 4 plugins listed as they will compound your FPS problems with them all left active. You'll need to rerun tes4lodgen once these are out of the way so that the VWD info is updated. An overload of VWD info could possibly cause the kinds of problems you're experiencing since it will lengthen the load screen times while it's all being processed.

Now that is an interesting idea... will try it out. I have a pretty high end machine, though .... i7, 4GB RAM, Geforce GTX 465 1GB mem ... maybe I don't need the FPS version of BC...

» Thu Sep 02, 2010 1:58 am

Well if you're going to cut out the FPS patches, you'll still need to remove #23 and #25 because they're duplicating VWD meshes regardless.

» Thu Sep 02, 2010 1:41 am

A word of warning: FCOM + a full installation of RAEVWD + Better Cities + Tamriel Travellers + all the UL mods = real strain on your system. Be prepared for possibly unplayably low FPS.

Ok, well, I am stunned. Here I am with what I thought was a pretty high end machine, but as gothmasticator intimated, outside I am getting like 10 or 9 FPS... with an i7 4gb, gefore gtx 465 1gb system. Wow.

Recommendations where to look for how to keep graphical experience good but get the framerate up?

Thanks,
Michi

» Wed Sep 01, 2010 10:55 am

RAEVWD is configurable. In its readme it explains how to lessen the impact on performance by selectively installing parts of the mod.
AIs are CPU hungry, and the game engine just won't make full use of your hardware, so limiting the addition of mods that add lots of NPCs will help. My suggestion? Choose FCOM or Better Cities, not both. But, you can also use spawn reduction plugins from FCOM, drop the waterfish plugin, etc. You're just going to have to try various things until you find a balance you are happy with.
Get Oblivion Stutter Remover (OSR). It will help smooth the playing, so with it properly configured you might find playing in the 15-20 FPS range acceptable. Again, up to you to find the level you are happy with.

» Thu Sep 02, 2010 12:53 am

Thanks for all the help so far.

Another question, what in my mod list is causing all sorts of weapons and armor to have 0 value? It makes sense (sort of) that stuff I get in the various guilds or arena might have no value, but I am finding some of the stuff I loot off of NPCs also have 0 value.

Am I Wrye Bashing something wrong?